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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on August 02, 2016, 10:25:09 PM
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RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/s13r1-jap-pack-at-paul-ricard-wtcc.html)
Race 1, lap 1, there was a side-by-side contact with Phil on the inside of Grat, but Phil was up to Grat's drivers door, so I'd call that one a racing incident.
Race 3, lap 1, Humper and Grat hide side by side. Grat was on the inside, and only up to Humper's rear wheel, but it was an unsettled sequence through turns 2 and 3 and again I'll call that a racing incident.
Bacchulum got into the rear of Matthew at turn 1, but Matthew was oversteering and counter-steering, so again, a racing incident.
Round Points
Guybrush Threepwood 66
Marty 66
EdWood 59
Phil.8 58
Matthew111 56
Bacchulum 55
Jeremy 55
hylas 53
Wally 50
Mael 48
Freezer 46
slideways 40
Let's Test Drive 38
Grat 34
Dave O 32
Humper 31
Joe 23
AJ 20
Bafs17 20
Rob 20
Hornbag 15
Congratulations to race winners Guybrush, Jeremy and Edwood, and tied round winners Marty and Guybrush.
Season Podium
1. Guybrush, 66
1. Marty, 66
2. EdWood, 59
3. Phil.8, 58
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Terrible night for me. Borderline not fun. Got tapped and spun in all 3 races then pushing too hard and making mistakes. Roll on next week.
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Last race was fun trying to get a 10 second lead on the cars behind for my penalty. Got 2 cuts taking evasive action, but that didnt worry me the trying was fun :)
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Was some interesting racing, I only got hit once in race 2 on someone misjudging a brake marker. Race 1 was clean but I didnt have the pace to match Guybrush, I got him off the line but missed a gear into t1 then the gap just kept growing. Had some tyre issues so I really couldnt match his pace and just hang on to 2nd, I tried to push as hard as I could but it just made it worse.
Race 2 was interesting and rather busy at the back around me at least appeared fairly clean and it took a while to get towards the front few but by then I had some rear damage from a bump which I balanced out with a tyre bundle smack at the front. Along with an overheated left front I saw Guybrush catching me and with 3 laps to got I somehow stayed ahead making him drive like a grandma.
Race 3 I got a better start but then got caught in no mans land a few times, made some passes when in the correct lane then dropped a few in the wrong one. No significant contacts that race with just a couple of very minor rubs I think, car was a bit better at the end as I tried not to overdrive the long sweeper as much. Last lap I managed to just sneak into 3rd which was quite a surprise as its not going to be easy to get podiums from anywhere near the back.
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In practice I thought "I'm going to come last" such was my pace but a few very late tweaks made the car feel better.
I had a heap of good battles with all different people over the three races. The Supra held up well as far as tyres go etc and felt pretty consistent. It did have the legs on the longer straights but not the drive out of corners so the only hope was to hold the tight line where ever possible and make the Nissan's go the long way round. This worked pretty well for most of the races and certainly meant those behind had to work for it. All up some good (see surprising) results and great battles.
Once again apologies to Mael for the tap I gave him early in the piece!
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I had a great time, really enjoying the tough racing. This is my favourite type of racing, to be honest. Elbows out, panel rubbing, relatively low powered sedans a la BTCC.
The tight packs really expose your mistakes about getting off line, in that if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, you can be really hung out to dry on the outside while people pass on the inside. It felt like that happened to me a few times.
I had some very narrow misses being behind people bouncing off the tyre bundles, including Jeremy in race 1 who put in a lot of work to pass me only to bounce off the tyres on the last lap. Luckily I missed everyone.
The Skyline felt pretty good for me here. Maybe I'm just getting used to it's steering ratio and sometimes weird feeling turn in.
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Great results from such a.large field.
Thanks for the write ups, felt like I was there... Being overtaken!
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Totally agree with Wally. Had an absolute blast in these. The racing is so close. Finished all 3 races unscathed, way off the pace, but still felt like I'd won. Kudos to everyone for some top notch racing. :)
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Once again apologies to Mael for the tap I gave him early in the piece!
No Problem, made a mistake going into the corner which contributed :-[
Otherwise really enjoyable races. Race 3 was a bit of a disaster after connecting a stationary car at the chicanes but still fun. Surprised so many people opted for the GTR as it might be slightly faster but is certainly trickier to drive than the other cars. The Supra you can really throw around ;D
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Race 1 was straight forward. Marty got me at the start but then went long into T1 which allowed me to come underneath (or is that inside) him and take the lead into T2. From there I built a gap and was fairly happy with my driving as I think after the first couple of laps, all the others were faster than the last, except for the end when I caught traffic.
Race 2 was OK. Got a fair bit of damage front and rear with some taps here and there, some my fault and some others. I got sandwiched a couple of times with people not realising we were 3 wide and I couldn't move which created a pinball effect.
Race 3 was much the same as Race 2.
I found that the RX7 was good in clear air, but behind other cars it just didn't have the traction of the GTR's 4WD coming out of the slower corners so it was difficult to overtake. In the end I was able to get a few overtakes around some of the corners which was fun, albeit a little risky.
It may have been my imagination but I also found that some people were just dive-bombing from well behind which meant if I turned in I would have been collected, so I had to wait and wait for them to tidy themselves up and then go. A reminder that if you aren't half-way up along side another car at turn in then the corner is not yours.
Good night's racing though, thanks to all involved. :)
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I asked this on TS last night, but either I was ignored or my mic was playing up ;D
My right hand side tyres weren't getting up to temp and we're about 10 degrees lower than the lefts. What should I do about that? Camber change? Pressures?
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I asked this on TS last night, but either I was ignored or my mic was playing up ;D
My right hand side tyres weren't getting up to temp and we're about 10 degrees lower than the lefts. What should I do about that? Camber change? Pressures?
Not much can be done as this track had all the high load corners as right hand turns. So this meant left side would generate more heat to the point that in the gtr all that could be done is take it easier in a few of the high load right hand turns to save the front left a bit.
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It may have been my imagination but I also found that some people were just dive-bombing from well behind which meant if I turned in I would have been collected, so I had to wait and wait for them to tidy themselves up and then go. A reminder that if you aren't half-way up along side another car at turn in then the corner is not yours.
Good night's racing though, thanks to all involved. :)
I did have a look at the race 3 replay last nite as I was making a video, the few I saw I dont think were exactly on purpose dive bombs but some guys didnt allow for the lf tyre degrading a bit in the gtr and just outbraked a few entries pushing you wide. In a couple races especially race 2 mine was so gone I needed about 30m more to stop and make the apex of the right hand turns.
I see a divebomb as any corner someone takes the inside but cant hold the apex and leaves no racing room for the outside car. Which either causes a collision or forces the outside car off the track. Rosberg got a penalty for this in the last GP, its also know as a block pass at times. I dont think its ever a fair pass when you force another car off the road or force them to atop to give you room on the exit in order to avoid a collision.
In most cases in order for the inside car to make a pass they will need to brake sooner then the outside. Otherwise they will miss the apex and run wide aka the divebomb. If you can make a pass like that though and not actually effect the outside car at all then thats a fair pass.
Guybrush got me into the sweeper in race 3 with a big inside dive but he got it done without me having to alter my line or speed in any way. So that was a good sneaky pass, its an easy one to stuff up and cause a collision so a bit risky but was well executed in that case and caught me properly by surprise. ;D
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I always forget to save the replays......Don't think I caused any major issues but I did pull off a couple of unintended passes when peeps started braking earlier than usual. The 370 didn't seem to suffer from the same tyre probs as the other cars.
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I asked this on TS last night, but either I was ignored or my mic was playing up ;D
My right hand side tyres weren't getting up to temp and we're about 10 degrees lower than the lefts. What should I do about that? Camber change? Pressures?
I didn't hear you Joe. I am in the RX7 too and I found the right hand side just didn't heat up. There isn't much you can do, it's just a result of not many right hand corners. If you lower the tyre pressures they will heat up a bit, but not enough to counter the loss of grip through lower pressures.
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You could try a lot more toe, either in or out, on the right side, although I don't know if asymmetric toe will make the car handle strangely. In theory, more toe should heat the tyre.
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You could try a lot more toe, either in or out, on the right side, although I don't know if asymmetric toe will make the car handle strangely. In theory, more toe should heat the tyre.
It would come to the point where you negatively effect the handling more then you would gain from the added tyre temps. In the GTR in practice I tried everything I could to reduce the left front overheating too much. Right rear was barely up to temp all race too but that really wasnt as bug a concern.
In the end I couldnt find anything in setup and just had to change line and amount of load Input through that tyre in the corners that were killing it. This meant early I was slower then it could be but meant at the end of the race I wasnt as slow so net result was better off conserving that corner a little.
In the other cars if you couldnt get useable temps on the left side at these temps lets hope we dont have a similar track in cooler temps. I think there are a couple of aussie tracks with eastern creek and the tassie track so this should be a change from the ones we are running in summer.
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Thanks for the replies. Need to take a look at my mic, think it's been playing up recently. Probably doesn't help having a 9 month old that loves cables...
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I dont remember hearing you much if at all on teamspeak Joe, so if your being ignored maybe ask if anyone can hear you. I often put my mic on silent then forget to turn it back on.
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I dont remember hearing you much if at all on teamspeak Joe, so if your being ignored maybe ask if anyone can hear you. I often put my mic on silent then forget to turn it back on.
I tested in recording devices that it was being picked up before loading TS and could see it was. Maybe needs a boost or something. Will have a look for next time.
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Here is a video I made of race 3 at Paul Ricard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EADcLY3eyAE
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Good stuff Marty and thanks for posting it on the AC forums too.
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You could try a lot more toe, either in or out, on the right side, although I don't know if asymmetric toe will make the car handle strangely. In theory, more toe should heat the tyre.
In practice it will put the steering off centre along with the expected toe change. Not sure what happens in the sim.
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Here is a video I made of race 3 at Paul Ricard.
Who was the driver taking the massive short-cut in T2 just after the start?
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Here is a video I made of race 3 at Paul Ricard.
Who was the driver taking the massive short-cut in T2 just after the start?
That was Matthew but you can see he was just ahead of me on entry into the corner then he got tagged and sent straight right this forced him out there. He then ended up rejoining in pretty much the same position relative to me and he only went so far inside because he got a big assist from behind.
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Here is a video I made of race 3 at Paul Ricard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EADcLY3eyAE
Some nice horn blowing there. Can see me getting spun around at 4:47 in the rear view, just wasn't my night at all..
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Lol I remapped my horn and lights back from the f1 mappings, couldnt remember which was which.
There were a few spins around me I was just lucky to not be too close to them. I see in results I just had 2 contacts both with Rob on lap 1. First one would be when I was 3 wide and got squeezed a bit from outside and shifted left into Rob before bailing on the move.
Into the next corner he had a slower car ahead and so brake considerably harder then I expected and so tagged him again :'(. Neither contact was his fault in any way but seeing I had to pass a bunch of cars and was very close to many that being the only touches I thought I had a pretty clean night.
Race 1 was a lonely afair so there was nobody to hit. Race 2 I got rear ended by Bacchulum much like how I got Rob in race 3 I think but that was a much harder hit. I think I gave someone a light touch inside around the 3rd last turn. Guybrush did well not to ram me the last 3 laps or so of race 2 as I was painfully slow into right hand turns with him trying to pass but the awd saved my bacon on all exits. I was expecting a push to pass at some point as it must have been fairly frustrating stuck behind me for that long. I want to check the replay to see if I was fair in defense which I thought I was at the time but it may have been a bit verstappen.
I did think at some point it would end in a hamilton rosberg type mess but our team seems to be better then that. On race nites at least that is seeing we practiced hitting eachother plenty in practice racking up some MR hits.
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It was interesting to watch Marty following me for several laps in the video, to see how his line compared to mine and where he gained time. I may have been being defensive, but I can see that I have a bad habit of not using all of the track on turn in, ie not turning right from the very left of the track. I tend to make the corner too sharp.
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Great video, I have to have a laugh at myself... Im thinking, "that's the lines I take" hahah, the difference between perception and reality!
Not to mention attempting versus execution! If only I did get some of your lines Marty I'll be happy!
Like the explanation for race one lack of excitement!
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It was interesting to watch Marty following me for several laps in the video, to see how his line compared to mine and where he gained time. I may have been being defensive, but I can see that I have a bad habit of not using all of the track on turn in, ie not turning right from the very left of the track. I tend to make the corner too sharp.
1 thing with lines especially here is the fastest line using all the track will open you up inside at just about every corner if someone is close. If you go too wide in then anyone can brake a bit deeper and take away your apex at which point you lose the inside lane and have most likely lost a spot.
In defense a tighter line ensuring to hit each apex and never outbrake yourself. If the guy ahead is pushing entries too much they are bound to make an error miss an apex and the guy behind can either sneak inside or simply get the better run out to pass on the next straight. I think you did this very well Wally I needed a great exit put of the last turn to get the tiny draft and help get into position to make a move into t1.
Its quite fun from the back while battling the others around you also trying to get through the guys ahead. Last race I always wanted to maintain at least 1 extra car between me and Guybrush to keep him off my back as he had the pace to be a proper nuisance. ;D
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Here is the last 3 laps battle for 4th with Guybrush, he clearly had the pace on me as he caught me fairly easy once he had clear air. I had to go fairly defensive as my LF was badly overheated and I had some rear damage from an early tap and I balanced this out on the second last lap with a bump into a tyre bundle.
Lines were fairly tight as I just couldnt let Guybrush take the inside into a corner and if he got ahead I would never have caught back up. Seeing in the end we finished on equal points for the round this helped save me from dropping 2 points to him so was well worth the battle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JM7NpoQkjo
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Good video Marty.
Defense was fine, except for the fact it didn't let me past. I kept yelling over my mic for team orders but they never came... I need to check my contract. ;) :D
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I think that was kind of the point, team orders sucked they new my car was stuffed and should have told you to save fuel or something and let me cruise to the line.