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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on March 08, 2017, 08:14:20 PM
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2 x 20 laps at Paul Ricard WTCC [DOWNLOAD (http://explore-game.com/product/paul-ricard-v0-9-7/)]
No compulsory pit stop; no refuelling allowed.
Weather forecast (http://www.myweather2.com/Motor-Racing/France/Paul-Ricard-Circuit.aspx) - long range outlook is 20 degrees and partly cloudy.
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I've put the combo up on my server as a practice server.
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awesome
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I've put the combo up on my server as a practice server.
Thanks Joe.
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Thanks Joe. Do you have a link to times?
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Thanks Joe. Do you have a link to times?
http://ac.yeahyou.com/lapstat
[edited by Wally]
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Joe, can you please make damage 100%?
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Thanks Joe. Do you have a link to times?
http://ac.yeahyou.com/lapstat
[edited by Wally]
Thanks
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If you are talking about mine, that was a clean lap :P
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Hey guys good morning!!
The tyres pressure app is telling me that i need to lower the pressure but i cant get any lower than 15 psi any thoughts
Sorry for my silly question
Simone
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Hey guys good morning!!
The tyres pressure app is telling me that i need to lower the pressure but i cant get any lower than 15 psi any thoughts
Sorry for my silly question
Simone
That's just how it is for some tyres.
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Hey guys good morning!!
The tyres pressure app is telling me that i need to lower the pressure but i cant get any lower than 15 psi any thoughts
Sorry for my silly question
Simone
That's just how it is for some tyres.
It could also be you haven't updated the tyre pressure app since the Porsche came out, as I'm fairly sure my pressures aren't that low here.
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Thx Joe!!! its all good now ;D
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(http://www.fiawtcc.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/7-CastelletC3-white-1024x522.jpg)
Compared to the leaders, I'm losing a heap of time at T5. Am I being too honest and not cutting the track there? I've got 2 right wheels on the right hand kerb, pretty much. The pole (usually) stays intact.
I'm braking a little on entry to turn in - maybe I'm braking too much and losing speed/time.
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It's probably not cutting the apex but running wide on exit.
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It's probably not cutting the apex but running wide on exit.
I can't remember for sure now, but I think PLP will issue a cut for running wide there.
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It's probably not cutting the apex but running wide on exit.
I can't remember for sure now, but I think PLP will issue a cut for running wide there.
What's your wing setting? I am on 5, I think. With it, at 100% grip, I manage to take a wide entry (barely the right wheels inside the track), then cut across smoothly with minimal minimal brakes (telemetry says 4 or 5% at most) dropping to 5th to make it turn a tad more, avoid the yellow pole by as little as possible and then try not to go on the outer part of the kerb on exit (less grip there for the next straight). When it comes right, you reach the limiter in 5th just when you get back on the brakes without any obvious cut.
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It's probably not cutting the apex but running wide on exit.
I can't remember for sure now, but I think PLP will issue a cut for running wide there.
What's your wing setting? I am on 5, I think. With it, at 100% grip, I manage to take a wide entry (barely the right wheels inside the track), then cut across smoothly with minimal minimal brakes (telemetry says 4 or 5% at most) dropping to 5th to make it turn a tad more, avoid the yellow pole by as little as possible and then try not to go on the outer part of the kerb on exit (less grip there for the next straight). When it comes right, you reach the limiter in 5th just when you get back on the brakes without any obvious cut.
Default wing. 8? I'm probably not taking the entry wide enough, and having to brake too much.
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Im running default setup as seems good enough. For T5 I'm way left then tap brakes for just a split second where ripple strip starts, drop to 5th then turn in then straight onto full throttle again. If i get it right will get two wheels onto apex and outside curb. If i get it wrong and need to ease off the throttle to prevent going wide i loose a heap of time.
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I'm looking at the lap times and the lap telemetry and I'm just slightly slower in every single part of the track and I can't figure out if it's setup or some fundamental flaw in my driving style or both. I was watching Phil and Joe do some laps yesterday and I honestly can't even see what I'm doing so differently, it's just that slight bit that adds up to a couple of seconds over the course of the track and it's frustrating the shit out of me!
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I'm looking at the lap times and the lap telemetry and I'm just slightly slower in every single part of the track and I can't figure out if it's setup or some fundamental flaw in my driving style or both. I was watching Phil and Joe do some laps yesterday and I honestly can't even see what I'm doing so differently, it's just that slight bit that adds up to a couple of seconds over the course of the track and it's frustrating the shit out of me!
Have you tried the spectate mode in ptracker? Just watching faster people I can never see what they are doing differently, but the ptracker spectator gives you a delta between your fastest time and the person's current lap. It at least allows you to see on which corners or parts of the track you're losing the time.
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I never even knew that was a thing, thanks Joe, will check it out.
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I never even knew that was a thing, thanks Joe, will check it out.
Just right click their name in ptracker and choose spectate. The delta is at top left of ptracker window if I remember correctly.
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Yep can see it. Now I've just gotta look out for a quick driver :)
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The telemetry usually shows that faster drivers brake fractionally later, and get on the throttle sooner. It all adds up.
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You're right Marty. I'm guessing a lot of the reason here for me not carrying anywhere near as much speed through most turns is because I'm not hitting the apex. Funny that turns 6 to 10 are the ones I feel like I'm not doing well, but it seems from this like most of the time I'm losing is actually through 1 to 6.
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The biggest speed discrepancy there, as with my laps, is T5. I'd focus on improving that. The advice earlier is to start the turn way to the left of track (almost off track).
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Sometimes it is hard to spot where you are losing time from the graphs. If you look at mine (blue) and Marty's (red) best laps (see attached file), it almost looks like I should be ahead. But it's like Marty says: I am probably faster through one or two corners, but he's getting out of them consistently a tiny bit faster and cleaner, and that tiny bit then multiplies by the whole length of the straight after them. If you look at the longest straight, his line is just above mine. It's a small difference, but for a very long time...
That said: I think jumping in somebody's car and see what they do can really help. As well as following somebody. I learned a lot from following many of you guys. As I said once, the only one I could not learn anything from is GB: every time I tried to do what he was doing, I just immediately crashed.
I am enjoying a lot the atmosphere for this season. We are all quite close in laptimes, and there is a lot of chat about which line to take on a corner or how to run over a kerb. Mael and I had an interesting conversation about turn 2, I learned I was losing exiting turn 4 following Marty and Diehard, and Wally, Joe, and I shared ideas about how to tackle the mighty turn 5. I think it's this kind of conversations that make our league really good. Let's keep them going!
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The biggest speed discrepancy there, as with my laps, is T5. I'd focus on improving that. The advice earlier is to start the turn way to the left of track (almost off track).
Yeah I think I actually managed to take it better a few times but not on my fastest lap funnily enough. That's probably most of the difference between my best time of 1:29.3 and my theoretical best of 1:28.7.
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Sometimes it is hard to spot where you are losing time from the graphs. If you look at mine (blue) and Marty's (red) best laps (see attached file), it almost looks like I should be ahead. But it's like Marty says: I am probably faster through one or two corners, but he's getting out of them consistently a tiny bit faster and cleaner, and that tiny bit then multiplies by the whole length of the straight after them. If you look at the longest straight, his line is just above mine. It's a small difference, but for a very long time...
That said: I think jumping in somebody's car and see what they do can really help. As well as following somebody. I learned a lot from following many of you guys. As I said once, the only one I could not learn anything from is GB: every time I tried to do what he was doing, I just immediately crashed.
I am enjoying a lot the atmosphere for this season. We are all quite close in laptimes, and there is a lot of chat about which line to take on a corner or how to run over a kerb. Mael and I had an interesting conversation about turn 2, I learned I was losing exiting turn 4 following Marty and Diehard, and Wally, Joe, and I shared ideas about how to tackle the mighty turn 5. I think it's this kind of conversations that make our league really good. Let's keep them going!
Che palle che mi fate venire,fra te e marty siete dei pallosi pazzeschi. Ma non avete niente da fare che parlare di questo giochino dalla mattina alla.sera???.......capre!!! ANDATE A LAVORARE....
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Wally....i read that you brake approaching t5? Wrong!! I mean thats why probably you r loising time there.I "lift" a bit and go into it,i still have the 5th gear"just" i do not feel confy putting 6th before t5 eventhough it goes out of revs at times.
Cant wait to kick your ass wally....i am loving this car AC did a great job!!!! Meh also cant wait to kick the ass of bird too....joe...and many others.Also i think i am getting closer to some of the untouchable smart asses here on xgn...one word for these untouchables........BEWARE OF THE DOGS!!!!!!!!
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Che palle che mi fate venire,fra te e marty siete dei pallosi pazzeschi. Ma non avete niente da fare che parlare di questo giochino dalla mattina alla.sera???.......capre!!! ANDATE A LAVORARE....
That sucks you do me, between you and marty you of pallosi crazy. But you have nothing to do but talk about this game from morning alla.sera goats ....... ??? !!! GO TO WORK....
[Deleted by Mod - not in the spirit of friendly forum banter]
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Che palle che mi fate venire,fra te e marty siete dei pallosi pazzeschi. Ma non avete niente da fare che parlare di questo giochino dalla mattina alla.sera???.......capre!!! ANDATE A LAVORARE....
That sucks you do me, between you and marty you of pallosi crazy. But you have nothing to do but talk about this game from morning alla.sera goats ....... ??? !!! GO TO WORK....
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LOL are you for real Marty
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somebody is a bit cranky on monday mornings...
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As me ol' mate Skip Barber once told me, the most important corner is the the one that leads onto the longest straight. The second most important corner is the one that leads onto the second longest straight. etc. etc.
The two main straights here seem about the same length to me, but I do love the chicane when you get it right, then getting quick through T5 really does make up a heap of time.
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pallosi ?
It's a... colourful way to say "boring."
This post might also serve to clarify that I have read Simone's post earlier this morning, but simply chose to ignore it. I don't mind and I don't care, and I can figure it out it's just a joke and take it. Unlike Marty I am a bit more cold-blooded and I prefer not to give a crap, but it does not mean I like it so much either. In Marty's defense I need to say that he's clearly being pointed out all too often. Fair enough: he overreacted most of those times and Phil is probably right, but I can understand him and after a while even the most cold-blooded people would react.
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Che palle che mi fate venire,fra te e marty siete dei pallosi pazzeschi. Ma non avete niente da fare che parlare di questo giochino dalla mattina alla.sera???.......capre!!! ANDATE A LAVORARE....
That sucks you do me, between you and marty you of pallosi crazy. But you have nothing to do but talk about this game from morning alla.sera goats ....... ??? !!! GO TO WORK....
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LOL are you for real Marty
Seeing this is Simones contributions in the other thread, sure one post here and there is fine but simply coming to the forum to piss on any discussions every single time. Surely if someone has no interest in any discussions they can just stay out of them yet the only posts people have issues with are mine. ::)
Marty is BACK! ;D
who gives the shit ;D
You guys make it so complicated no jokes. Just lets race and forget about.ABattle for 24th position is just as good as a battle for 1st,getting a bit annoyed over how to deal and make the faster driver slow or whatever........a question......are you guys smoking crack cocaine? ??? ???
You guys make it so complicated no jokes. Just lets race and forget about.ABattle for 24th position is just as good as a battle for 1st,getting a bit annoyed over how to deal and make the faster driver slow or whatever........a question......are you guys smoking crack cocaine? ??? ???
I think either have all cars as close as possible in performance so everyone has a reasonable chance in any car or if there are a few considerably quicker then the others its not likely anyone will chose those unless they are simply given to the slightly slower guys to help them get a bit closer. Get a slower guy in a slower guy vs a faster guy in the faster car and the difference in laptimes at Spa will be more then 7 seconds per lap. ;) Why would the slower guy then chose to give an extra 3 or 4 seconds per lap start to the guys that are already quicker. If the faster guys chose a slower car then anyone they would normally race that choses one of the 3 faster ones they will be at least 2 seconds per lap slower so again what incentive is there to chose any of the 5 slowest cars even if they are all very close if the other 3 give you 2 seconds per lap advantage?
Sure you can run a single make series but having varied cars that are close in performance but doing it a bit differently is kind of the main point of such a series and 5 of these cars are like this as are the top 3 but all 8 combined are almost like 2 classes.
https://youtu.be/vNVp5IwQcYc (https://youtu.be/vNVp5IwQcYc)
Like I said earlier its an issue for many for me to come here and make suggestions or discuss racing etc, yet no issue coming here simply to be an ahole as Simone does most often is perfectly fine.
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I've cleaned this thread up a bit. Keep it all in the spirit of friendly banter please. If you don't like someone's style, PM them and talk it out in private. This is a stress free place to have some fun.
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Wally....i read that you brake approaching t5? Wrong!! I mean thats why probably you r loising time there.I "lift" a bit and go into it,i still have the 5th gear"just" i do not feel confy putting 6th before t5 eventhough it goes out of revs at times.
I got a bit closer to Marty's lap time by barely braking into T5 (if at all), and entering much wider which closes up the big speed differential I had there before, but Marty still carries more speed through the next few turns. I'm still 2 seconds off the pace!
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I've cleaned this thread up a bit. Keep it all in the spirit of friendly banter please. If you don't like someone's style, PM them and talk it out in private. This is a stress free place to have some fun.
No worries me being on cocaine, saying who gives a shit, writing that crap in italian to continue on the same friendly banter is fine ;D
Stress free means he can say anything to me without issues, no stress to Simone at least as hes just doing friendly banter that very rarely has anything to do with any thread he posts in. That is unless he simply comes in to try stop any discussions on the actual topic or the game with which this forum I thought was meant to be discussing.
Regarding lap times and lines Id like to offer some ideas but it will only encourage more "friendly banter" and possibly my posts will just be removed as discussing such things may offend Simone and others.
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Wally....i read that you brake approaching t5? Wrong!! I mean thats why probably you r loising time there.I "lift" a bit and go into it,i still have the 5th gear"just" i do not feel confy putting 6th before t5 eventhough it goes out of revs at times.
I got a bit closer to Marty's lap time by barely braking into T5 (if at all), and entering much wider which closes up the big speed differential I had there before, but Marty still carries more speed through the next few turns. I'm still 2 seconds off the pace!
I hate 6/7 and 8. I have no consistency there, no real brake markers and it's usually where I make or break a lap. For my faster laps on the 6/7 double apex I found the best way seemed to be braking a bit earlier and hitting the first apex in 4th, then drifting out a bit wide, downshift to third without braking to line up 7 then floor it and try and keep the back end in check. That lining up of 7 and getting it right to go through full throttle is tough.
8 is just nasty as the side pillar blocks the apex. Sometimes I go out a bit wider so I can line up and floor it, sometimes I keep it tighter and feather the throttle a little to line up before flooring it. Haven't quite figured out the best approach yet. I think it's probably better to loose a bit of time going out wide so you can get on the throttle and carry more speed into the next turn.
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Wally....i read that you brake approaching t5? Wrong!! I mean thats why probably you r loising time there.I "lift" a bit and go into it,i still have the 5th gear"just" i do not feel confy putting 6th before t5 eventhough it goes out of revs at times.
I got a bit closer to Marty's lap time by barely braking into T5 (if at all), and entering much wider which closes up the big speed differential I had there before, but Marty still carries more speed through the next few turns. I'm still 2 seconds off the pace!
I hate 6/7 and 8. I have no consistency there, no real brake markers and it's usually where I make or break a lap. For my faster laps on the 6/7 double apex I found the best way seemed to be braking a bit earlier and hitting the first apex in 4th, then drifting out a bit wide, downshift to third without braking to line up 7 then floor it and try and keep the back end in check. That lining up of 7 and getting it right to go through full throttle is tough.
8 is just nasty as the side pillar blocks the apex. Sometimes I go out a bit wider so I can line up and floor it, sometimes I keep it tighter and feather the throttle a little to line up before flooring it. Haven't quite figured out the best approach yet. I think it's probably better to loose a bit of time going out wide so you can get on the throttle and carry more speed into the next turn.
who gives the shit ;D
That sucks you do me, between you and Grat you of pallosi crazy. But you have nothing to do but talk about this game from morning alla.sera goats ....... !!! GO TO WORK....
a question......are you guys smoking crack cocaine? ??? ???
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I always thought Marty and Simone were really the same person :)
Those big black bollards are going to claim a few victims. Turn 2 through to the chicane needs some decent commitment to getting close to the bollards to carry good speed through there, and they don't move if you hit them!
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You're right Marty. I'm guessing a lot of the reason here for me not carrying anywhere near as much speed through most turns is because I'm not hitting the apex. Funny that turns 6 to 10 are the ones I feel like I'm not doing well, but it seems from this like most of the time I'm losing is actually through 1 to 6.
The biggest speed discrepancy there, as with my laps, is T5. I'd focus on improving that. The advice earlier is to start the turn way to the left of track (almost off track).
I got a bit closer to Marty's lap time by barely braking into T5 (if at all), and entering much wider which closes up the big speed differential I had there before, but Marty still carries more speed through the next few turns. I'm still 2 seconds off the pace!
Its clearly just that one corner so keep focusing on that, what I said earlier was clearly BS and why I deleted it as surely what would I know. ???
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Those big black bollards are going to claim a few victims. Turn 2 through to the chicane needs some decent commitment to getting close to the bollards to carry good speed through there, and they don't move if you hit them!
The latter part of the track is killing my laptimes, the last corner I find especially fustrating. As for the bollards after extensive testing I can without doubt state that they are made out of reinforced concrete. Will be leaving a bit of a margin of error during the race ;D
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I always thought Marty and Simone were really the same person :)
Those big black bollards are going to claim a few victims. Turn 2 through to the chicane needs some decent commitment to getting close to the bollards to carry good speed through there, and they don't move if you hit them!
Yeah we're gonna need to be careful at the start. One person hitting one could take out everyone. The one exiting turn 2 I've had to go left off track to avoid a couple of times. In qually laps I'm not lifting at all for T2 but that has more risk of hitting that bollard. On a safe lap I lift slightly at the apex.
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I've cleaned this thread up a bit. Keep it all in the spirit of friendly banter please. If you don't like someone's style, PM them and talk it out in private. This is a stress free place to have some fun.
Thx wally,thx for considering this,the whole forum,and our hobby racing online a GAME,and not a police state like someone would like to think.
Marty........i`d love shout a beer or 2 to ya
Grat......ma va a caga` vai.
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Che palle che mi fate venire,fra te e marty siete dei pallosi pazzeschi. Ma non avete niente da fare che parlare di questo giochino dalla mattina alla.sera???.......capre!!! ANDATE A LAVORARE....
That sucks you do me, between you and marty you of pallosi crazy. But you have nothing to do but talk about this game from morning alla.sera goats ....... ??? !!! GO TO WORK....
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LOL are you for real Marty
unfortunately yes he is hes taking every single baits,he hates ppl dissenting from his lovely elaborated racing theory,,,,,,Marty!!!!!! I`d love to become friend with you,ar you going to the races in 2 weeks????????????? Can we meet?????????????? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Guys to keep it clean.
And use English.
Only the 3-4 of you speak Italian, and exchanging nasties in Italian isn't any better, just less moderated. If there's no italian moderation, we'll probably have to simply delete all italian posts to keep things clean, ok?
Marty; Simone can be a nuisance we all know that. He has managed to piss me off royally a while ago, too. Try not to react, he'll eventually leave you alone. It takes a while, though. He's acting like a bully sometimes, picking on the one person he knows can't tolerate it. Otherwise he's a good bloke. Although....he still did not send me any strawberries!!!
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Guys to keep it clean.
And use English.
Only the 3-4 of you speak Italian, and exchanging nasties in Italian isn't any better, just less moderated. If there's no italian moderation, we'll probably have to simply delete all italian posts to keep things clean, ok?
Marty; Simone can be a nuisance we all know that. He has managed to piss me off royally a while ago, too. Try not to react, he'll eventually leave you alone. It takes a while, though. He's acting like a bully sometimes, picking on the one person he knows can't tolerate it. Otherwise he's a good bloke. Although....he still did not send me any strawberries!!!
I love you Bird fantastic analysis,and very spot on.Actually with you Istvan was kind of serious crap,you pissed me off too with your austro-hungarian sort of behaviour,,,,lololol
Ok i will stop picking up and steering up on ppl,you cant handle it,fair enough.I stop here.But just let me say this.....i consider all of you(some of you i have been knowing from years now) friends,,,,simply put.... friends.I would love to meet some of you if not all of you in person and one day i know i will,in saying guys,...............vaffanculooooooooooooooo HAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAA
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Che palle che mi fate venire,fra te e marty siete dei pallosi pazzeschi. Ma non avete niente da fare che parlare di questo giochino dalla mattina alla.sera???.......capre!!! ANDATE A LAVORARE....
That sucks you do me, between you and marty you of pallosi crazy. But you have nothing to do but talk about this game from morning alla.sera goats ....... ??? !!! GO TO WORK....
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LOL are you for real Marty
Censorship!!!!!
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I always thought Marty and Simone were really the same person :)
Those big black bollards are going to claim a few victims. Turn 2 through to the chicane needs some decent commitment to getting close to the bollards to carry good speed through there, and they don't move if you hit them!
Yeah we're gonna need to be careful at the start. One person hitting one could take out everyone. The one exiting turn 2 I've had to go left off track to avoid a couple of times. In qually laps I'm not lifting at all for T2 but that has more risk of hitting that bollard. On a safe lap I lift slightly at the apex.
Not lifting at all?!?!?! I want your suspensions! How do you do that? If I don't lift over that kerb I land in Lyon!!!
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I always thought Marty and Simone were really the same person :)
Those big black bollards are going to claim a few victims. Turn 2 through to the chicane needs some decent commitment to getting close to the bollards to carry good speed through there, and they don't move if you hit them!
Yeah we're gonna need to be careful at the start. One person hitting one could take out everyone. The one exiting turn 2 I've had to go left off track to avoid a couple of times. In qually laps I'm not lifting at all for T2 but that has more risk of hitting that bollard. On a safe lap I lift slightly at the apex.
Not lifting at all?!?!?! I want your suspensions! How do you do that? If I don't lift over that kerb I land in Lyon!!!
It can be done but you have to run in from as wide as possible. I've only managed to do it and hold onto it once in 99 laps ;D Not that I was trying to do it most of the laps because I don't think it would save all that much time anyway.
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I always thought Marty and Simone were really the same person :)
Those big black bollards are going to claim a few victims. Turn 2 through to the chicane needs some decent commitment to getting close to the bollards to carry good speed through there, and they don't move if you hit them!
Yeah I've only made it that way a handful of times. Usually I just lift a little to be safe. As AJ said I've been way over to the left with two wheel right over the curb.
Yeah we're gonna need to be careful at the start. One person hitting one could take out everyone. The one exiting turn 2 I've had to go left off track to avoid a couple of times. In qually laps I'm not lifting at all for T2 but that has more risk of hitting that bollard. On a safe lap I lift slightly at the apex.
Not lifting at all?!?!?! I want your suspensions! How do you do that? If I don't lift over that kerb I land in Lyon!!!
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Hi Guys, I won't be able to make it tonight...
I've come down with a chronic case of the social commitments :(
I got friends visiting from OS in town for one night only.
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Hi Guys, I won't be able to make it tonight...
I've come down with a chronic case of the social commitments :(
I got friends visiting from OS in town for one night only.
"Friends" don't visit on Tuesday night.. OS or not...
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Not sure if i can make it tonight, atm iam using a friends PC as due to the storms in Western Sydney i have lost internet. Might be back in time but with Telstra i doubt it. Good luck all.
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Well, I won't be attending tonight. My wheel hasn't made its way back to me yet. Good luck everyone for Round 1! I wish I could be there.
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Bad luck to all of the above! Hopefully next week...
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Server's up.
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Eh sorry guys but I just could not keep it together. I was spinning so much I thought I'd rather disconnect than create more havoc.
Next week I may not be able to make it in time, I've a track day. Funny that. :)
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Hi all great racing.
Sry to whoever went around after I got on the throttle a little early.
other than that - great fun - pretty tense