« previous next » Print Pages: 1 2 3 Author Topic: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat (Read 25655 times) Wally Administrator Hero Member Posts: 11035 Karma: 152 AC Admin S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « on: December 16, 2014, 11:19:45 PM » DriverOld CarNew CarPhilFerrari 458 GT2BMW M3 GT2Rob [Team MRT]BMW M3 GT2BMW M3 GT2M8RLotus Evora GTCMercedes SLS GT3GratulinP4/5 CompetizioneFerrari 458 GT2SchmittezBMW M3 GT2BMW M3 GT2GrubbetBMW M3 GT2BMW M3 GT2Dave OBMW M3 GT2BMW M3 GT2BacchulumBMW M3 GT2BMW M3 GT2GWyarBMW M3 GT2BMW M3 GT2ImperiousBMW M3 GT2BMW M3 GT2cramjetFerrari 458 GT2Ferrari 458 GT2KrahlLotus Evora GXLotus Evora GXVipergod [Team MRT]Ferrari 458 GT2McLaren MP4-12C GT3FreezerP4/5 CompetizioneMercedes SLS GT3TomLotus Evora GXLotus Evora GXWally [TKO Racing]Mercedes SLS GT3Lotus Evora GTCMarty [Achilles Heels]Lotus Evora GXLotus Evora GXMatthew111Lotus Evora GXLotus Evora GXYsu [TKO Racing]Lotus Evora GTCLotus Evora GXStanDaamMcLaren MP4-12C GT3Lotus Evora GTCGuybrush Threepwood [Achilles Heels]Lotus Evora GXLotus Evora GXOthers:EdWood: Lotus Evora GX « Last Edit: December 16, 2014, 11:22:05 PM by Wally » Logged “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time” Guybrush Threepwood Hero Member Posts: 2133 Karma: 69 Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #1 on: December 16, 2014, 11:31:38 PM » Welcome to the fold Bird, and welcome to the Lotus club Wally Logged Bird Administrator Hero Member Posts: 2321 Karma: -666 Ysu Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #2 on: December 17, 2014, 08:59:35 AM » Bugger! I knew I was a bit too fast for my own good...However...8x beemer6x evora gx2x merc2x fezza2x evora gtc1x mclarenit tells me one thing; there's not enough spread in the cars.The cars deemed fastest and slowest are used by 14 of us, 7 uses something in the middle.Maybe removing the 599 was a mistake after all, as fast as it was actually, Edwood in the gx as well...not making much of a difference « Last Edit: December 17, 2014, 09:02:17 AM by Bird » Logged StanDaam Full Member Posts: 529 Karma: 11 Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #3 on: December 17, 2014, 09:00:37 AM » Not the dreaded 'L' word!!Nooooooo!!! Can't Marty do a recount and I get a P4/5 Logged Gratulin Hero Member Posts: 2159 Karma: 44 Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #4 on: December 17, 2014, 09:31:22 AM » The handicap rating needs a higher damping setting. I feel like I am flip flopping from too fast > too slow > too fast. Not enjoying the constant changes at all. Logged Freezer RestrictedRacing Hero Member Posts: 1296 Karma: 33 Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #5 on: December 17, 2014, 09:57:21 AM » I've actually hovered in the middle all season. Mainly P4/5, with one use of the 458 and Maclaren. Next week will be first run in the Merc. Logged Bruce Global Moderator Hero Member Posts: 3440 Karma: 76 "Look out, I'm comin' through!" Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #6 on: December 17, 2014, 09:59:10 AM » I back next week, sure hoping I get something that I can blast past everyone on the straights! (Not worried about any other portion of the track/race ) Logged "I refuse to be what you call normal." Lemmy Caution Wally Administrator Hero Member Posts: 11035 Karma: 152 AC Admin Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #7 on: December 17, 2014, 10:18:24 AM » Yes, interesting polarisation towards both ends of the cars. Bird's right, not enough spread in the cars. 599 was still no good, as it's style of speed was too different. Logged “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time” Bird Administrator Hero Member Posts: 2321 Karma: -666 Ysu Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #8 on: December 17, 2014, 10:46:02 AM » Time for the robin GT I says! Actually...we have talked about some BMW z4 or somesuch before the season...? Logged marty Hero Member Posts: 3747 Karma: -63 Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #9 on: December 17, 2014, 11:49:19 AM » Looks a little too fast, not sure if we can get the Robin GT aka Guybrush Threepwood edition made in time. Probably the graphics are where all the speed is at so maybe a skin is all it needs. Logged Bird Administrator Hero Member Posts: 2321 Karma: -666 Ysu Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #10 on: December 17, 2014, 11:59:31 AM » Actually there's one more thing that bugs me; the cars' relative performance on each track.Would that be too much to recalculate the car order and spread (call it track-speed?) based on the top laptimes for the track?I mean if we know the calculation itself, we can chuck it into a program that takes the parameters (a form) and spits out the results.I can write the code I guess, and we can just throw it up somewhere, then Marty can enter the data, he seems to have enough time and too happy to calculate stuff Logged Wally Administrator Hero Member Posts: 11035 Karma: 152 AC Admin Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #11 on: December 17, 2014, 12:53:17 PM » Quote from: Bird on December 17, 2014, 10:46:02 AMTime for the robin GT I says! Actually...we have talked about some BMW z4 or somesuch before the season...?The Z4 ended up being virtually identical to some other car, on average times. I did consider factoring in relative car performance at each track, but it would have become too much work.I'm going to take a bit of a break from the handicap stuff anyway. Too much debate about it instead of car setup and racing etc. Time to simplify for a while, maybe until (if) we get ballast. Logged “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time” Bird Administrator Hero Member Posts: 2321 Karma: -666 Ysu Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #12 on: December 17, 2014, 01:07:57 PM » fair 'nuff Altho...altho... maybe we can try and look at the car renting again.I know I sound like a broken record, but it's a fairly self-balancing system. And once the cars are set, the admin can lay back and relax, too. Edit; don't take me wrong, I wasn't criticising your system at all! I was trying to help to make it even more refined, that's all. You did a fantastic job and your dedication is unbelievable. Big thanks, again, for all the work you put in, Wally! « Last Edit: December 17, 2014, 01:45:50 PM by Bird » Logged Guybrush Threepwood Hero Member Posts: 2133 Karma: 69 Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #13 on: December 17, 2014, 01:24:26 PM » Yeah, I think we have to accept that the system will never be perfect no matter what handicap you put in place. I think it has worked well for the most part. There has been some great racing which wouldn't have happened otherwise.With something like this there will always be ways you can drill down to potentially give a more accurate car assignment but the balance between this happening and the work that goes into it has to stop somewhere. There is also the issue of assuming that a particular record for a car and track is the maximum that car can acheive as opposed to the driver's ability or setup. Logged marty Hero Member Posts: 3747 Karma: -63 Re: S4R6: Silverstone Race Chat « Reply #14 on: December 17, 2014, 01:50:29 PM » Quote from: Bird on December 17, 2014, 01:07:57 PMfair 'nuff Altho...altho... maybe we can try and look at the car renting again.I know I sound like a broken record, but it's a fairly self-balancing system. And once the cars are set, the admin can lay back and relax, too. Edit; don't take me wrong, I wasn't criticising your system at all! I was trying to help to make it even more refined, that's all. You did a fantastic job and your dedication is unbelievable. Big thanks, again, for all the work you put in, Wally!You must get a transaction fee in this rental business Bird. 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