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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on August 05, 2014, 11:15:21 PM
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[youtube]6eGTXGpEcPw[/youtube]
PITTING RULE
Because pitting mid-race stuffs up the race positions at the moment, if you have to pit mid-race, DO NOT REJOIN. It's race over.
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Because pitting mid-race stuffs up the race positions at the moment, if you have to pit mid-race, DO NOT REJOIN. It's race over.
Did you guys see that as a bug last night Wally?
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Yep. Race positions were screwed in race and in the server results, with a couple of guys who pitted for fuel and getting stuck jumping a whole heap of positions when they left the pits.
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I have a setup in my dropbox if anyone wants to try.
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I have a setup in my dropbox if anyone wants to try.
Thanks, I will give it a try some time. I see you're about a couple of seconds faster than me.
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Thanks Guy, better than mine. ;)
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There's one huge problem - no two - with that setup for me, Guy.
1) It's masochistically low :)
2) You can lose the rear by turning the wheel, easily. And it's good until that point, but after - there's no saving it (not with my slow reflexes)
I'm testing Darren's set, too, and I'm consistently faster by a .5 with that. But the issue here is, it's a much higher wing setup. I'm torn :)
If I could dial out that behaviour from your set where the rear just lets go, I'd be ok (I can raise it easily for it to ride ok)
here's the set if anyone wants to try it
Either way I'm a good second off my old pb...the physics have changed I reckon. :)
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Hopefully the tips I gave you helped a bit Bird.
I've also made a few extra changes to the setup which have helped. The dropbox setup will have been updated.
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Yeah, thanks Guy, the fact that I've been able to set my old pb is a good sign :)
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There's one huge problem - no two - with that setup for me, Guy.
1) It's masochistically low :)
2) You can lose the rear by turning the wheel, easily. And it's good until that point, but after - there's no saving it (not with my slow reflexes)
I'm testing Darren's set, too, and I'm consistently faster by a .5 with that. But the issue here is, it's a much higher wing setup. I'm torn :)
If I could dial out that behaviour from your set where the rear just lets go, I'd be ok (I can raise it easily for it to ride ok)
here's the set if anyone wants to try it
Either way I'm a good second off my old pb...the physics have changed I reckon. :)
Using GB's new setup I took about a second off my old PB, maybe old setups dont work so well anymore but I dont think the car is that much slower.
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I can't drive GB's setup. I find it too easy to oversteer, and with the damn insta-death kerbs, I'm struggling to keep it on track. And when I try to hold it flat where GB does, I understeer off. I am on hards though... I'm looking for a race setup, not a hotlap setup.
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You should be able to add one or two clicks of BOTH the front and rear wing to compensate for the lack of grip from the hard tyres Wally.
If it's over steering, decrease the rear spring stiffness, rear bump damper and also decrease the front wing or increase the rear wing. Decreasing rear tyre pressure by a couple of psi should also help.
I stay off all the curbs if I can.
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I found that one tick wing on both ends and *increasing* the tyre pressure by about 5 ticks helps heaps. (overall increase, still on softs)
Messing with the overseer of the setup just kills its speed.
I reckon adding more wing you need to raise the set, too.
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I haven't turned a lap since Tuesday night so will have some catching up to do tonight... stuck at work :(
I'll check out GBs setup to get a base, but they tend to be too loose for me.
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I found that one tick wing on both ends and *increasing* the tyre pressure by about 5 ticks helps heaps. (overall increase, still on softs)
Messing with the overseer of the setup just kills its speed.
I reckon adding more wing you need to raise the set, too.
Yes, adjusting tyre pressure will depend on whether it's over steering due to high tyre temps or not. If it's over steering on every corner then more than likely it's not only the temps.
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Far out Guybrush, I've just seen on RSR rank that you're #6 in the world! Well done.
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Cheers Wally. Still a ways off the top though :)
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I can't drive GB's setup. I find it too easy to oversteer, and with the damn insta-death kerbs, I'm struggling to keep it on track. And when I try to hold it flat where GB does, I understeer off. I am on hards though... I'm looking for a race setup, not a hotlap setup.
Going flat through t6 I can do but lifting for me is safer and not much slower. If you clip the inside kerb it is death there as are many but I remember seeing an onboard video from a real tatuus akd they avoid the kerbs mostly. I will try and find it but havent been able to. If you watch the highlights in the first post you can see they avoid the kerbs mostly but some you can use and some you cant use too much.
Race wise I find that setup with more wing pretty good, just if going flat through sections you need to be very precise. I did 12 laps on hards at pretty good pace without issues but its just a tricky track as it needs lots of commitment and precision with very little room for error line wise.
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I have found another onboard video here tbough its a little slow. Time of about 1:50 he is using a bit of kerb here mahbe a little more then I use in a couple spots.
[youtube]b_7nNujWE6g[/youtube]
I suspect they only run hard tyres only and have heard they only get very limited tyres for the full race weekend. Lap times from 2013 were 1:47 the quickest I saw but site is in italian and I didnt check all qually and race sessions. They arent racing at Mugello this year, its quite likely drag is a little low on the AC version still as going higher df works quite well at mugello but running much lower downforce the real times are closer to what is possible in AC.
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I have put these up on my server for a 12 min qualy and race if anyone wants to have some practice races, cant remember how many laps I made it I think 7 or 8 just long enough to maybe make people run the hard tyres.
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He definitely takes more curb than you can in AC, despite the setup.
I think a lot of the curbs in AC cause too great a disturbance in balance of the car and straight line speed.
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He definitely takes more curb than you can in AC, despite the setup.
I think a lot of the curbs in AC cause too great a disturbance in balance of the car and straight line speed.
Agree. That's how I would like to drive - i.e. with that amount of kerb, but you can't.
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Here is one of the races on my server earlier between Gubrush, me and another guy with a great last lap battle where I ended up 3rd only .054 behind Guybrush who won the race so s rather close 3 way finish. ;)
Guybrush was testing out Ballast by running a full tank over the 8 lap race and I just ran enough for 12 laps here with this being the final lap.
[youtube]OhlNEwcO70U[/youtube]
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Nice one. Yeah, there are ways of simulating ballast, but I'd prefer something that can be enforced on the server.
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Is anyone else getting stuck in the sand traps at Mugello? Or am I the only one spinning off into them :) Appears that if I go off into a sand trap in the race then my race is over :(
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Is anyone else getting stuck in the sand traps at Mugello? Or am I the only one spinning off into them :) Appears that if I go off into a sand trap in the race then my race is over :(
I guess you're using guybrush's set up?
His set up actually has the floor pan about 2 inches lower than the contact point of his tyres
I was bottoming out yesterday on other people's tyre marks. ..
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Yeah his secret is the HUGE contact patch given by the undertray, that's why he can take corners flat out...
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Yep. Guybrush's set - the one with the removable wheels :) With my quadraphonic sound system I can hear which end is scraping!
Thanks GB for another great setup! The first version was fast but the latest one is now very controllable as well.
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The under tray is made of rubber right?...
I get beached if I go into a sand trap and stop, which is often the case in real life with these things.
If you stay off most of the curbs and take certain lines it shouldn't be a problem. The places where you will bottom out are anything other than the inside of corners 8 and 9, and the outside of the last corner. It should be fine everywhere else.
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Just out of interest, have you tried raising the set by a few millimeters to see if it makes any real difference in handling? I found that raising both ends by about 20 ticks (millimeters I think) Will alleviate the issue greatly. But I'm not good enough to tell if the handling is really changed or not.
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Just out of interest, have you tried raising the set by a few millimeters to see if it makes any real difference in handling? I found that raising both ends by about 20 ticks (millimeters I think) Will alleviate the issue greatly. But I'm not good enough to tell if the handling is really changed or not.
I may try that tonight but I havent had issues bottoming out once I figured out what line I can take with it. Even full of fuel hasnt been an issue but as in the imola race I didnt bottom out that setup until race 2 after many laps before without issue. But 20mm I think would have to have some effect on handling and I am quite happy with hiw it handles now that Ive learnt the line and can also take 6 flat with full fuel and hard tyres.
With lower grip levels tyre temps and pressures may be a bit lower and cause more bottoming out issues. But still holding the inside line through 8 and 9 is smooth and it has so much grip there is no need to go wide. I did try pass Guybrush inside of 9 a couple times both very unsuccesfully. The final turn I havent hit that bump yet but I am running a bit more aero so can run a lower line there with more speed.
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I did get a big bottoming out kick between 9 and 10 one time. I raised the height just to be safe.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Mugello_Racing_Circuit_track_map.svg/640px-Mugello_Racing_Circuit_track_map.svg.png)
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If you run the line as in the video I posted there wont be a kick there. Its only if running a bit of a high line I got a few kicks. Guybrush was mentioning hitting a bump on the last turn a few times but on my line there I have not hit it yet so not sure exactly where that bump is.
Did you lose any mid corner grip raising the ride height Wally?
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If you run the line as in the video I posted there wont be a kick there. Its only if running a bit of a high line I got a few kicks. Guybrush was mentioning hitting a bump on the last turn a few times but on my line there I have not hit it yet so not sure exactly where that bump is.
Did you lose any mid corner grip raising the ride height Wally?
Not really. I think I might have set my PB with the higher ride height. I haven't really noticed much handling difference with a higher ride height - other than not getting a kick in the pants from the track when you bottom out!
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I definitely noticed a difference when raising the ride height - not as pointy and a bit sloppy in that the car will maintain grip but the tyres will growl some more and wash off more speed. I found I couldn't take corners such as T3 flat out as easily with the heigh raised.
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I will install AIM software and run some laps this afternoon, for me what it drove like the other day I dont think I need higher suspension as I can just avoid the couple of bumps but will be interesting to see how much of a difference it will make.
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So what is a realistic time on this track. I'm seeing 1.44 -45s on RSR and thinking my handbrake must be stuck on..... :(
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I'm just thinking of safety. The bump I felt here wasn't as drastic as the Imola ones. There, your car could be sent into a spin. That didn't happen here. But still... If the bottoming out doesn't get you, a kerb will. It should be a pretty intense race.
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So what is a realistic time on this track. I'm seeing 1.44 -45s on RSR and thinking my handbrake must be stuck on..... :(
My race trim PB is 46.1, for reference.
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So what is a realistic time on this track. I'm seeing 1.44 -45s on RSR and thinking my handbrake must be stuck on..... :(
My race trim PB is 46.1, for reference.
Thanks Wally, thats sounds better. I was doing 49s on my own pc, then stangely dropped 1.5s on the server to get into the mid 1.47s. More setup work needed I think...!
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I've been running 22mm @ front and 32mm @ rear.
I've been experimenting with the travel, giving it 20mm @ front and 30mm @ rear (theoretically 2mm clearance).
No bottoming out yet ;D, but it digs in in the sandtraps :(.
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So what is a realistic time on this track. I'm seeing 1.44 -45s on RSR and thinking my handbrake must be stuck on..... :(
My race trim PB is 46.1, for reference.
Thanks Wally, thats sounds better. I was doing 49s on my own pc, then stangely dropped 1.5s on the server to get into the mid 1.47s. More setup work needed I think...!
I think I'm using 14/11 downforce on hard tyres.
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I'll sit this one out Wally, did about 4 laps total and that's just not enough for this track. Think I'll do the right thing by all and let a reserve in.
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I'll sit this one out Wally, did about 4 laps total and that's just not enough for this track. Think I'll do the right thing by all and let a reserve in.
Are you sure? It'll still be fun.
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I'll sit this one out Wally, did about 4 laps total and that's just not enough for this track. Think I'll do the right thing by all and let a reserve in.
That's 4 laps too many I say Davo!
Get out there. You will at least have me to race with if you are feeling that slow! :D
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I'll sit this one out Wally, did about 4 laps total and that's just not enough for this track. Think I'll do the right thing by all and let a reserve in.
I'm had next to no track time either this week - bought a new home server and been configuring that :P
Only got the space back to properly race at about 8pm last night... so total 1hour I reckon...
Come on ;D
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Half dozen laps here, let's roll ;D
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What could possibly go wrong?
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haha sweet, you guys have convinced me.. I'll race :)
I can get an hour of practice in before the race... that might help a bit as I'm a danger to myself and others on this track with the deadly curbs lol
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Now thatws the spirit ;D
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I won't make it. I'm out of town till Thursday.
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It looks like i cant make it tonight because ill be working :( see you all next round.
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haha sweet, you guys have convinced me.. I'll race :)
I can get an hour of practice in before the race... that might help a bit as I'm a danger to myself and others on this track with the deadly curbs lol
That is my usual practice, lately. I wish I could do an hour daily but...
Sometimes I have an extra hour to put into it on the weekend, but not always. As long as you're not ruining others' races (too much), you're in the right place - we're here for fun. :)
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It looks like i cant make it tonight because ill be working :( see you all next round.
I won't make it. I'm out of town till Thursday.
OK.
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Haven't seen Phil on-line all weekend?
He was having internet drama. He might not have a connection yet.
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Haven't seen Phil on-line all weekend?
He was having internet drama. He might not have a connection yet.
He has probably been practicing in secret we will see what he brings, lets hope he finally got hooked up so he can make this weeks races.
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Server's up.
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Hey guys, really shattered, can't make it tonight :'( and i've been working on my setup all week, at least we have 2 races at mugello so its not all a waste.
Enjoy, cyas @ Nurburgring
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Great racing tonight!! Lack of practice definitely showed and I couldn't go on in the 2nd race, was waaaay out back and being lapped, just a danger on track with my fried tyres... The hards were way too cold in the first race so decided to go mediums and they were sweet until I spun a few times and burnt them to a crisp. Couldn't get a rhythm so decided to end the night early...
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Race Results (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2014/08/s2r3-formula-abarth-at-mugello.html)
Season Standings (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/season-2-standings.html)
Season Statistics (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnDaDoQGyFTddEZVTzRoZ0ZOR3NtNnNjcl8xVGpPSUE&usp=sharing#gid=34)
Congratulations to Guybrush on the race wins as well as the round win.
Round Points
Guybrush Threepwood 50
Marty 40
Rolz 40
Ysu 39
Glen73 38
Rob 37
Wally 36
Gratulin 34
Imperious 30
cramjet 28
GWyar 26
Crimespree 25
Bacchulum 24
Vipergod 23
Dick Forrest 22
StanDaam 20
Dave O 18
Insomniac 11
Freezer 10
The championshop top 3 is now:
1. Marty 90
2. Wally 87
3. Bacchulum, Ysu 81
Team TKO holds onto a narrow team lead to be leading Achilles Heels by 3 points.
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Qualified around 10-11th in each race and based on practice didn't see this race lasting long as I was having all sorts of grief putting laps together.
R1 Got a good jump and the front half of the field got going cleanly however at T1 on the second or so lap I spun and by the time I got going i was last so I spent most of the race just trying to catch the field.
R2: Decent start again but half way round the 1st lap my wheel departed the desk and I was in all sorts of pain trying to keep on track whilst trying to get it re attached. Managed to hold position but not to long later I got a top and was off again and back to the rear. Once again I set about the chase however with 2 laps to go I noticed the fuel wasn't going to get there and with the pit rule it was race over........
Did actually get the hang of the car as the night went on but have zero idea how to get near the speed of some of you guys up front. (well done).
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Race 1 I was fortunate that Marty was unfortunate and spun on a kerb. I managed to hold it together to finish 2nd.
In race 2, I followed Rob's lead and increased the camber all round, which made the car feel great. I could really put it where I wanted to. I got off to a good start, having some close racing with Marty, with a few draft-assisted lead changes, and keeping in touch with the Achilles Heels guys. But on lap 8 I just barely touched the inside kerb on the last turn, and it spun me off into the wall. With dirty tyres, it took me about 3 goes to get the car straight again, kept spinning. Dropped from 3rd to 10th. Then on lap 10 I ran a little wide over the kerb, and coming back onto track was carrying too much speed and hit the back of Gratulin, for which I'm sorry. I should have allowed for more speed difference. I redressed, which saw me lose another couple of spots. On lap 13 I drifted into a sandtrap while talking, lost another spot to finish 12. A pretty messy race, which was a pity when the car was feeling really good.
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R1 I had a great start, picked up 2-3 positions by T1. Then I've watched Marty & Wally having a great battle. Then barely missed Marty as he spun back onto the track. I think it was a wise move from me to raise the setup by 20 clicks. I was able to do evasive manoeuvres, get out of the rough, etc, without major trouble. R1 was a hotlapping session after this, I could not catch Wally, let alone Guybrush, and no-one was close behind.
R2 started well, good position, etc, but on the 2nd lap I got a bit too cocky in T1 and this setup bites... Waited for the field, then proceeded to have great battles along the way, the best with StanDaam, chasing him for a good 3 laps before I've managed to sneak by. Sadly, a few corners later he managed to beach himself, bugger about that.
Very good race, and a really fun night overall, thanks gents!
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Great fun last night.
Went from my worst races last week to my best races this week. Mainly thanks to everyone's mistakes! I just had to keep it on the black stuff. Race 1 I held onto it for 12th. I think my best result to date.
Big shout out to my main man Cramjet for just missing out on the podium. It was our plan all along to come in 4th at the most. puts us in a fighting chance of.... something... :o
I heard some sledging going on about West Australians.. I was too distracted to defend our state at the time. But left me wondering are there other, awesome, west Aussies here?
Was some good racing all round from where I was placed. Great to see all the cars going around and jostling for position.
Question about qualifying times. if you look at the spread sheets, it's pretty odd / amazing how many people got exact same lap times lap after lap in qualifying. yet this doesn't seem to happen in racing.
http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/s2r3-formula-abarth-at-mugello.html
Cramjet managed to throw down 3 consecutive laps in qualifying of 1:47:767.
a lot of people did at least two laps one after the other. exact same times.
suspicious? buggy? normal?
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Cramjet managed to throw down 3 consecutive laps in qualifying of 1:47:767.
a lot of people did at least two laps one after the other. exact same times.
suspicious? buggy? normal?
That's where you pit in from a previous lap, in Cramjets case he pitted after completing a 1:47:767 then when you come out of pits Assetto throws out the last recorded lap of that driver time again, so it gets recorded as such to results, in Cramjets case, he would have pitted again and came out a third time and recorded again the last known lap.
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I heard some sledging going on about West Australians.. I was too distracted to defend our state at the time. But left me wondering are there other, awesome, west Aussies here?
Just keep an eye out, West aussies can be identified by there mild paranoia behaviors of swerving all over the long straight thinking someone might be getting the slightest draft 300 meters in toe ;D
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Well done Guybrush on the wins, I didnt really have the pace to hurt him. Race 1 was quite fun even though I did a silly error being gready on the exit of t5. I missed the apex but didnt want to lift as Wally was pressuring and I was trying to get out to pull out a gap so he couldnt draft me down the straight. This resulted in a big tank slapper and into the wall but spun back onto the track. Rob got unlucky as he was blindsided by the 2 cars ahead of him and he nailed me just as the car stopped across the track.
I then had to try fight back dropping to about 10th there then unfortunatly had a coming together with Glen as I got squeezed with nowhere to go as I was inside. I locked up once I saw he was turning in but we hit and I spun into the grass and nearly everyone got past. I ended up 17th when I rejoined and then just tried to fight my way back with a few good battles especially the last lap and half with Rob and Gwyer. In the end finished 8th so at least I got some points out of that messy race of mine.
Here are my lowlights and highlights from race 1 in a video.
[youtube]TLQuyhG0hO0[/youtube]
Race 2 the first 2 laps were almost Identical as with Wally again challenging and passing on the draft lap 2, we had a good battle and he did start to pull a little gap so I needed to push a bit to make it up. Finally got by and a few draft passes each it was shaping up to be a fun battle with Guy a second or so ahead but pulling ahead more as we slowed eachother down with some side by side action. Sadly Wally spun on the last corner then I just tried to chase Guybrush.
Luckily for me had had an off and so I was able to catch him and even get past a little later. We were close for a few laps then he got by and I made some small mistakes where he started to pulk a little gap. I was pushing hard then ended up spinning on the second last lap, got pretty much beached but just got out a few seconds ahead of Rob. With dirty cold tyres he was gaining quickly. I tried pushing for a fastest lap on the last lap but ran wide exit of 6 and nearly lost it again. Then just had to try hold Rob off to the line.
Was fun especially all the passing in race 1 and battles with Wally, Guy and Rob in both races.
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Haven't seen Phil on-line all weekend?
He was having internet drama. He might not have a connection yet.
He has probably been practicing in secret we will see what he brings, lets hope he finally got hooked up so he can make this weeks races.
I really and truly wish that was the case.
Unfortunately I moved house into an area with zero available internet - well I can get a pathetic 50kb if I sign up :(
I am looking into other ISP and what other options I have. My exchange is RIM and basically no DSL2 is possible.
Also I do apologise for not updating you guys with my attendance, I also started a new job exactly two weeks ago and I am super busy here reading documentation and stuff.
I don't want to stop someone else getting a spot on race nights so for now, I will have to say assume I won't be available.
On a side note: with regards to my crappy exchange does anyone here have any experience with line transposition requests?
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Haven't seen Phil on-line all weekend?
He was having internet drama. He might not have a connection yet.
He has probably been practicing in secret we will see what he brings, lets hope he finally got hooked up so he can make this weeks races.
I really and truly wish that was the case.
Unfortunately I moved house into an area with zero available internet - well I can get a pathetic 50kb if I sign up :(
I am looking into other ISP and what other options I have. My exchange is RIM and basically no DSL2 is possible.
Also I do apologise for not updating you guys with my attendance, I also started a new job exactly two weeks ago and I am super busy here reading documentation and stuff.
I don't want to stop someone else getting a spot on race nights so for now, I will have to say assume I won't be available.
On a side note: with regards to my crappy exchange does anyone here have any experience with line transposition requests?
That's a pain, Phil. I just about think checking out internet availability is something you need to check out before you buy a house these days.
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Hey all, wow fun night... Firstly great racing everyone! ;D
Didn't do anything special other than stay consistent, relax and wait for a pass opportunity rather than push too hard, accidentally bump someone and then spin out and then feel awful about it.
Q1 - got a PB... stoked
R1 - just followed the pack, was very lucky that it was the mistakes of others that I gained so many spots... Had a wicked last few laps battle with StanDaam... I think if there were 2 more laps you would of had me... my concentration was just shot by the end of it with you breathing down my neck.
Q2 - fluffed around too long to have track time to nail a good lap, or I was still not relaxed enough after R1
R2 - Decided will just do the same as race one, try for consistency and wait for opportunities. Glen73 and I had really fun battles and eventually his class showed and started to leave me in his wake...
This week I think the trick for me was don't be on the course for 2 hours before the race... I jumped on with about 30min to go of practice and that had me well and truly warmed up and ready... last week I was mentally fried to try to maintain concentration for so long. I'm only relative new to this... Since AC really.
Thanks again all! Man I love this racing! A real buzz!
Cya online again soon ;D
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Good vid, Marty, you've too much time on your hands :)
Check how little time I had to avoid you in R1 - it's a miracle I was actually able to !
That's a pain, Phil. I just about think checking out internet availability is something you need to check out before you buy a house these days.
Sadly it does not mean squat. I did my due diligence, moved in, and there were no ports available...:/
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I struggled to find time to practice and make a setup I could drive fast. Well off the pace. And that was it. Still enjoyed it as there is fun racing in any position!
oh and sorry dave for pulling out in front of you. Looked clear on map but before I knew it it was too late. At least no positions were lost :)
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It's great to read about people's first experiences with sim racing and AC, enjoying the racing, having fun. That's what it's all about!
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That's a pain, Phil. I just about think checking out internet availability is something you need to check out before you buy a house these days.
Sadly it does not mean squat. I did my due diligence, moved in, and there were no ports available...:/
Ow. Note to self: never move.
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Unfortunately I moved house into an area with zero available internet - well I can get a pathetic 50kb if I sign up :(
I am looking into other ISP and what other options I have. My exchange is RIM and basically no DSL2 is possible.
Hope you're settling into your new job at least Phil!
There was no sign of CTR last night. so CramDick racing has snuck past you guys! *cheer
I remember a couple of years ago I was living in a broadband dead spot. 30kms from Perth city. I'd ring up those Telstra jerks and they would want to know which is my closest regional capital city. I'd tell them I'm 30 kms from Perth and the line would go silent. They are just tight fisted, money grabbing pigs. No intention of providing enough ports or whatever. I had to move house.
Cramjet managed to throw down 3 consecutive laps in qualifying of 1:47:767.
a lot of people did at least two laps one after the other. exact same times.
suspicious? buggy? normal?
That's where you pit in from a previous lap, in Cramjets case he pitted after completing a 1:47:767 then when you come out of pits Assetto throws out the last recorded lap of that driver time again, so it gets recorded as such to results, in Cramjets case, he would have pitted again and came out a third time and recorded again the last known lap.
ah ok.. makes perfect sense :o
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Good vid, Marty, you've too much time on your hands :)
Check how little time I had to avoid you in R1 - it's a miracle I was actually able to !
When I checked the replay I was quite amazed it wasnt a huge wreck with everyone being involved. Rob just got unlucky as he wouldnt have seen where the car ended up and then his car parked nose inti the wall losing him even more time then it cost me.
I wanted to do a full race highlights video with everyone but that would take forever to find each persons highlights. I figured I saw nearly every other car during the race at some point it would kind of do the same thing. ;D
Was very similar to both of my races at Silverstone actually as I seem to make a habit of losing spots during a race. Either start in the pit or get pit manouvered at some point early lol, only the races I have lead start to finish have been much less eventfull and quite boring at times. I see why Guybrush wants reverse grids as unless you have a proper battle out front its just a hotlap session for the most part.
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Have to agree - a great night's racing. Either everyone is giving me a wide berth or I am getting better (more relaxed?) driving in traffic. ;)
Race 1 start was really good since I was mid pack and worried that I would get tangled up in turn 1 but everyone seemed super aware of other cars and we got through it without incidents (?). I then just tried to keep consistent and keep a lookout for the clouds of smoke that kept appearing. My race position kept improving each time I passed one of these clouds - not sure if this is a bug? Pretty happy with my finish but it was very much "inherited".
In Race 2 I got a fantastic start. Not sure what happened but the cars ahead of me all pushed over to the left and I had to go right. Ended up with clear track ahead and ended up 5th after turn 1 from about 11th on the grid. Then I was sweating because I had all these fast guys hunting me (I won the most hunted award!). Man, that was pretty intense watching out for cloud ahead and overtaking cars behind. Luck I had my new quadraphonic sound so I could hear the angry buzzing of the cars coming up behind me :) I also never really felt comfortable with the car in the second race - forgot about the track grip starting low and lost confidence in my hard tires. Managed to finish 10th I think due to more cloud bugs.
Thoroughly enjoyable to be in the mix.
Seemed to me that having more severe consequences of spinning (ie getting beached) leveled the field a bit in this race. Is that what others also felt from this round?
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Well done Guybrush on the wins, I didnt really have the pace to hurt him. Race 1 was quite fun even though I did a silly error being gready on the exit of t5. I missed the apex but didnt want to lift as Wally was pressuring and I was trying to get out to pull out a gap so he couldnt draft me down the straight. This resulted in a big tank slapper and into the wall but spun back onto the track. Rob got unlucky as he was blindsided by the 2 cars ahead of him and he nailed me just as the car stopped across the track.
I then had to try fight back dropping to about 10th there then unfortunatly had a coming together with Glen as I got squeezed with nowhere to go as I was inside. I locked up once I saw he was turning in but we hit and I spun into the grass and nearly everyone got past. I ended up 17th when I rejoined and then just tried to fight my way back with a few good battles especially the last lap and half with Rob and Gwyer. In the end finished 8th so at least I got some points out of that messy race of mine.
Here are my lowlights and highlights from race 1 in a video.
[youtube]TLQuyhG0hO0[/youtube]
Race 2 the first 2 laps were almost Identical as with Wally again challenging and passing on the draft lap 2, we had a good battle and he did start to pull a little gap so I needed to push a bit to make it up. Finally got by and a few draft passes each it was shaping up to be a fun battle with Guy a second or so ahead but pulling ahead more as we slowed eachother down with some side by side action. Sadly Wally spun on the last corner then I just tried to chase Guybrush.
Luckily for me had had an off and so I was able to catch him and even get past a little later. We were close for a few laps then he got by and I made some small mistakes where he started to pulk a little gap. I was pushing hard then ended up spinning on the second last lap, got pretty much beached but just got out a few seconds ahead of Rob. With dirty cold tyres he was gaining quickly. I tried pushing for a fastest lap on the last lap but ran wide exit of 6 and nearly lost it again. Then just had to try hold Rob off to the line.
Was fun especially all the passing in race 1 and battles with Wally, Guy and Rob in both races.
Hey Marty, I didnt see where you were when we came together as you were right in my blind spot, i reckon next time give a holla on TS saying "inside" or what ever. You had made good ground watching the video but I had no idea you were that far up, if I had of known, room would have been given.
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Cramjet managed to throw down 3 consecutive laps in qualifying of 1:47:767.
a lot of people did at least two laps one after the other. exact same times.
suspicious? buggy? normal?
That's where you pit in from a previous lap, in Cramjets case he pitted after completing a 1:47:767 then when you come out of pits Assetto throws out the last recorded lap of that driver time again, so it gets recorded as such to results, in Cramjets case, he would have pitted again and came out a third time and recorded again the last known lap.
That's right, if you exit pits your previous lap shows up as you cross the line. I was trying to get some laps down to improve the track, got a hot lap in at around 98% (that 1:47) and then two offs in a row. Are ya trying to get me in trouble Dick :P
First race was just messy for me, kept losing concentration and making mistakes. Ended up dead last - the only people who I beat in the end screwed up worse than me! Learned a good lesson though - I previously would have gotten upset (at myself) for a couple stupid mistakes like that, instead I put in a few clean laps and learned how to place the car a bit better around here which really helped come race 2.
Race 2 was much better. Qualified 6th (I think) and got to 5th (maybe not reading Gratulin's post above) by the first corner. I haven't got much practice that end of the field so just put my head down and kept it clean. An error up front meant I snatched 4th nice and easy - was hoping for another to get on the podium! It gets a bit lonely when the front runners blast off into the sunset though :(
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Good to read about everyone's races.
I was fairly happy with how I went in Race 1. My plan is always to build pace, so I took the first couple of laps fairly tentatively and then got into the "zone". I think every lap bar 1 or 2 was a session best so I was quite happy with that. I was so fixated on making each lap better than the last that it was a complete surprise to me when the race finished. I did almost overshoot T1 on one of my "non session PB" laps though as I was looking at Wally's lap time as he crossed the line.
I wasn't at all happy with how I went in Race 2. I got too relaxed and made a small mistake on the 2nd lap (I think) which lost a couple of seconds to Wally and Marty. Then I got into the "zone" again, but lost my concentration when I lapped someone and completely stuffed up my braking into T10 and went off and Marty got passed as I was re-joining. Nothing at all to do with the back marker, I just got out of the head-space I was in and had a blip in concentration. It was a fun battle with Marty for a couple of laps before I managed to pull a bit of a gap, but still doing fairly scrappy laps. I may have just been mentally fried by then.
I had fun though and well done to everyone as there seemed to be very few multi-car incidents. Especially into T1 at the start of each race.
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That's a pain, Phil. I just about think checking out internet availability is something you need to check out before you buy a house these days.
Sadly it does not mean squat. I did my due diligence, moved in, and there were no ports available...:/
Ow. Note to self: never move.
Or get a Telstra 4G wifi device up front - it's better than most ADSL's, even the ping is pretty decent!
It can be had on pre-paid & plan.
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Hey Marty, I didnt see where you were when we came together as you were right in my blind spot, i reckon next time give a holla on TS saying "inside" or what ever. You had made good ground watching the video but I had no idea you were that far up, if I had of known, room would have been given.
All good Glen, its easy to get caught in a blindspot. It all happens pretty quick and I had a better run then I expected so it was quite a late move and I was just looking for my turn in point. Then once I saw your car come in I braked harder and locked up so was pretty screwed at that point with nowhere to go as I was commited so unfortunatly we made contact.
I actually thought I had a broken wheel as you can see in the video I was full lock opposite to the direction I was going at one point after that when trying to get back on track . ;
Still its just a racing incident and these alway will happen with close racing, I was quite amazed in race 2 that there was no contact between me and Wally or Guybrush as we did get very close a couple times. When inside of Guybrush I was trying hard not to do the pit manouver we practiced a bit during the week as it would be a bit silly us taking eachother out.
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That's a pain, Phil. I just about think checking out internet availability is something you need to check out before you buy a house these days.
Sadly it does not mean squat. I did my due diligence, moved in, and there were no ports available...:/
Ow. Note to self: never move.
Or get a Telstra 4G wifi device up front - it's better than most ADSL's, even the ping is pretty decent!
It can be had on pre-paid & plan.
How is 4G for online gaming though?
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That's a pain, Phil. I just about think checking out internet availability is something you need to check out before you buy a house these days.
Sadly it does not mean squat. I did my due diligence, moved in, and there were no ports available...:/
Ow. Note to self: never move.
Or get a Telstra 4G wifi device up front - it's better than most ADSL's, even the ping is pretty decent!
It can be had on pre-paid & plan.
How is 4G for online gaming though?
I've only used it in one race, there were no complaints. It really depends on the latency, and it was quite decent, something around 50-60ms I think. Considering it's 4G and wifi it's damn good.
But if you're in a patchy zone, there maybe problems.
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4G... that's mobile only right? Won't it chew through Telstras, pathetic, data plans in like one race?
I'd rather have zero coverage 24/7 with Vodajoke than ever use Telstra..... Can you fell the hate? ;)
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4G... that's mobile only right? Won't it chew through Telstras, pathetic, data plans in like one race?
I'd rather have zero coverage 24/7 with Vodajoke than ever use Telstra..... Can you fell the hate? ;)
I share your views, or rather did, on Telstra, but the fact remains; they've got the best coverage here. I've tried voda & optus networks, they don't come close in data speeds, reliability & latency, pretty much anywhere around NSW where I've been. And a funny thing is; they aren't that much cheaper after all.
I've this 4G device on prepaid, I've got some 12GB of data 1yr expiry for $160. It's expensive, but this is the backup & travel device. I don't download on it, so it lasts for months.
Here's the device (https://www.telstra.com.au/online-shop/mobile-broadband-product.cfm?flow=prepaid&device=telstra-prepaid-wifi-poecket-wi-fi-785) and the prepaid data recharge price is on this page (http://www.telstra.com.au/broadband/mobile-broadband/prepaid/) under "Prices within Australia"
mind you it seems to have gone up - $200/12GB. But if you don't download on it, it lasts months.
Gaming usually uses up surprisingly little of your traffic allowance. What you really need is low latency.
Btw data maybe cheaper on a plan, but only if you use exactly the amount of the plan - which will never happen. And if you don't use half of it each month, it does not roll over so eventually it can be a lot more expensive!
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4G... that's mobile only right? Won't it chew through Telstras, pathetic, data plans in like one race?
I'd rather have zero coverage 24/7 with Vodajoke than ever use Telstra..... Can you fell the hate? ;)
I share your views, or rather did, on Telstra, but the fact remains; they've got the best coverage here. I've tried voda & optus networks, they don't come close in data speeds, reliability & latency, pretty much anywhere around NSW where I've been. And a funny thing is; they aren't that much cheaper after all.
I've this 4G device on prepaid, I've got some 12GB of data 1yr expiry for $160. It's expensive, but this is the backup & travel device. I don't download on it, so it lasts for months.
Here's the device (https://www.telstra.com.au/online-shop/mobile-broadband-product.cfm?flow=prepaid&device=telstra-prepaid-wifi-poecket-wi-fi-785) and the prepaid data recharge price is on this page (http://www.telstra.com.au/broadband/mobile-broadband/prepaid/) under "Prices within Australia"
mind you it seems to have gone up - $200/12GB. But if you don't download on it, it lasts months.
Gaming usually uses up surprisingly little of your traffic allowance. What you really need is low latency.
Btw data maybe cheaper on a plan, but only if you use exactly the amount of the plan - which will never happen. And if you don't use half of it each month, it does not roll over so eventually it can be a lot more expensive!
Is that $160 a month? That's pretty over the top. I think telstra deliberately screw up other providers by keeping them away from using their equipment. I think it's only iinet who have started laying their own data cables?
I'm assuming 4G uses towers and satellites? satellites have some 20 second latency?
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You could check if there is an NBN wireless tower you could connect to. It's a satellite on the roof job.
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Here are my lowlights and highlights from race 1 in a video.
[youtube]TLQuyhG0hO0[/youtube]
Nice video Marty. Can you trim it down a bit and post a link to it in the AC videos thread? Just a bit from the start (to show the size of the field) and then some of that good three-way racing around the 10 min mark. Put some blurb about the XGN Australian AC league - it's all good promo material.
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Top night of racing last night last night chaps, much appreciated. ;D
I did enjoy race one, had a great battle with Rolz at the end and managed to keep it fairly tidy all race.
Race two had a few more dramas than the first, starting off with the loss of audio at the line but thanks to who gave me the tip of 'hit esc and resume' I was underway again. I was way behind the field but was enjoying catching up and finding some good battles on the way.
Sadly, a few corners later he managed to beach himself, bugger about that.
Yeah that was a weird bit. I was on the track going through those 2 flat out corners where I was bottoming out on every 2nd lap or so and I saw an orangy red flash of the chassis on the left of the screen and then it just shunted me off into the sand. I thinks I must have broken my skid panel or something?? Was a pity as I was beached after that but hey for my first AC race I was very pleased with the night. :P
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Nice video Marty. Can you trim it down a bit and post a link to it in the AC videos thread? Just a bit from the start (to show the size of the field) and then some of that good three-way racing around the 10 min mark. Put some blurb about the XGN Australian AC league - it's all good promo material.
Marty has done very well again! I'm sure everyone want's to see more dick though!... right??
I'm slowly getting together highlights of the season for a clip. I hope to get together sometime in between now and the next 10 years.
I get sidetracked..
Maybe Marty can throw together a few highlights from other races to show off XGN's racing skillz.?
But please, no more recruiting fast guys!!! lol
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Here are my lowlights and highlights from race 1 in a video.
[youtube]TLQuyhG0hO0[/youtube]
Nice video Marty. Can you trim it down a bit and post a link to it in the AC videos thread? Just a bit from the start (to show the size of the field) and then some of that good three-way racing around the 10 min mark. Put some blurb about the XGN Australian AC league - it's all good promo material.
I actualy started a thread for xgn league videos in the official forum this morning, I will do up a highlights video showing some bits of past racing in a short 2 minute or so video to music maybe tonight. I think I have replays from season 1 too but the replays were much jumpier and also they only recorded the ends of the races.
The thing that takes most time is finding the best bits from the races and why I made that one with just my race as too much was going on elsewhere.
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I am uploading a video from my highlights from race 2, like Marty if I was to search and grab every ones highlights, I reckon that would be a day in the chair in it self, then editing etc it would be massive :o
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Good work. You can use the position chart in the race results, looking for where the lines cross over. Then you can see that someone's made a pass on lap X.
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Is that $160 a month?
No, read it again. It's clear IMO: $200 (sorry, not $160 anymore) for 12GB data with a year expiry. It also rolls over if you refill it before the expiry.
That's pretty over the top. I think telstra deliberately screw up other providers by keeping them away from using their equipment. I think it's only iinet who have started laying their own data cables?
This has little to do with cables on the user end, it's 4G (wirless) - altho I suspect it feeds into the Telstra fiber at some point for speed. But I've no knowledge of the underlying architecture.
I'm assuming 4G uses towers and satellites? satellites have some 20 second latency?
it's communicating via towers as far as I know. As I said, the latency of said technology is around 60ms as measured at my place (or if you go optus it's closer to 120ms), 20 would be great, it'd be better than my ADSL, which is around 30-40ms.
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Race report,
I applied my one hour of practice last week and a solid hour before Qualifying started, I can do this because the track is fresh in my mind from last season. I took my setup from last week and ran 14 and 8 wings iirc.
Qualified mid pack for race one, got a decent start and drove around circulating, Had the run in with Marty, got back on and drove around eventually catching Gratulin with what appeared on some well used rubber, I waited for a mistake but it never came from him. Came home in 7th (3rd 7th in this series, I asked God to give me sign 3 weeks ago ;))
Race two was an epic first 5 laps for me, I put a little video together as the racing was heaps fun and as I would expect in the real life series with drafting etc. A bit of cat and mouse happening between myself and Rolz, swapping positions a few times, at one stage I nearly combined my front nose with Gratulins gearbox, he scared the crap out of me braking harder than expected but I managed to avoid it and only lose one position. Came home in 5th.
Cant wait for pit stops to come in.
Top racing from my view point, clean starts by the field and I wish I had some extra time for this series but enjoying it just as much none the less. I also think all the new guys to XGN are fitting in beautifully, everyone seems to be gaining valuable race craft as the weeks progress.
Well done to the winners and Guybrush needs to put on some weight I think ;D
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Look forward to your video Glen. I just thought of an easier way that we could put together a weekly highlights video. If everyone were to save their replay file and if they had something they though was worthy of making the reel. Simply trim the replay file to the good bit or bits in seperate files and upload it somewhere. Then it woupd be easy for someone to get the best bits and also cars still look best if using your own replay file rather then other cars which do sometimes move in strange ways.
If there was to be a selection of clips within a few days of the last race I could quite easily make a short highlight reel for each race and round to upload. A bit more exposure and we could guarantee full grids each round and maybe even have 2 divisions if numbers warrant it.
A way you could run multiple divisions would be to get all people available for the round to post a laptime on RSR and then the grids could be split top and bottom for each round. This would help bring the racing even closer maybe giving half points for the guys in the second division and so points could be combined for all.
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....at one stage I nearly combined my front nose with Gratulins gearbox, he scared the crap out of me braking harder than expected but I managed to avoid it....
Ha ha! I blame you for tailgating me and making me nervous :)
Seriously, I had that corner (turn 4?) totally wrong the whole week and never realised it until you almost tapped me so sorry for the incorrect early/heavy brake. Seems everyone else was simply lifting there? I seemed to pull away in turns 2 and 3 so never had anyone on my tail through turn 4 until you showed up. I heard Rob, I think, calmly explain his cornering technique halfway through the race after he almost got tail ended :)
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....at one stage I nearly combined my front nose with Gratulins gearbox, he scared the crap out of me braking harder than expected but I managed to avoid it....
Ha ha! I blame you for tailgating me and making me nervous :)
Seriously, I had that corner (turn 4?) totally wrong the whole week and never realised it until you almost tapped me so sorry for the incorrect early/heavy brake. Seems everyone else was simply lifting there? I seemed to pull away in turns 2 and 3 so never had anyone on my tail through turn 4 until you showed up. I heard Rob, I think, calmly explain his cornering technique halfway through the race after he almost got tail ended :)
Yes turn 4! it's in my video ;D
I lightly braked there and dropped to 4th gear iirc, the faster guys were probably living life on the edge just lifting with no brakes ::)
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[youtube]nyXEMdigCmQ[/youtube]
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Nice video Glen, looks like you had a good battle all race there. You may want to add the video to this thread I started in the official forums too http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/xgn-com-au-league-race-videos.13408/
One thing with these cars for me is driving them is not necessarily the most thrilling thing but racing them in a good large field is a blast.
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Nice video Glen, looks like you had a good battle all race there. You may want to add the video to this thread I started in the official forums too http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/xgn-com-au-league-race-videos.13408/
One thing with these cars for me is driving them is not necessarily the most thrilling thing but racing them in a good large field is a blast.
Added ;)
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Great stuff! You've got a lot of steering input going on there. Is that how you drive, reflected in the replay?
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Great stuff! You've got a lot of steering input going on there. Is that how you drive, reflected in the replay?
Yer not sure, just the way I drive I guess. I don't seem to use as much tire as most so maybe I create less friction. I know it looks manic at times but I am actually quite relaxed :o
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Great stuff! You've got a lot of steering input going on there. Is that how you drive, reflected in the replay?
Yer not sure, just the way I drive I guess. I don't seem to use as much tire as most so maybe I create less friction. I know it looks manic at times but I am actually quite relaxed :o
Looks like you prefer a setup thats a bit understeery, will save the rears and quite likely your fronts go off before rears unlike me in this car running softs its always the rears that go first.
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[youtube]nyXEMdigCmQ[/youtube]
loved the music u added in when u got past me... after that it was off into the sun set and I just couldn't keep up.
Was pretty awesome racing :)
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Marty and Glen, how are you guys encoding this for Youtube? Mine always look like rubbish. Are you recording at full screen resolution? I'm then encoding with AviDemux to H.264/AAC, two pass bit rate of 5000. I only recorded at half screen size in FRAPS, which is probably too low(?).
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Marty's video looks a bit sharper than mine, I used fraps and then good old win movie maker. I will check tomorrow for you.
Recording fraps at 1920X1080p
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Marty and Glen, how are you guys encoding this for Youtube? Mine always look like rubbish. Are you recording at full screen resolution? I'm then encoding with AviDemux to H.264/AAC, two pass bit rate of 5000. I only recorded at half screen size in FRAPS, which is probably too low(?).
Im using Nvidia Shadowplay capturing in game at 4k but shadowplay converts this to 2560x1440 which is its maximum encoding res atm. This is what I normally encode to yt in but being a longer video I just made it 1080p to reduce the end bitrate and file size. The higher res does make the end video quite a bit sharper but even capturing at 1080p shadowplay does ok.
I edit and encode in Premiere pro at fairly high bit-rates 1080p around 20Mbps 1440 around 30Mbps. Youtube does re-compress to much lower rates but I have found if you want to not butcher it too much you need to give it a pretty good quality file. If you already compress it to around 6-7Mbps which is what a 1080p yt stream will end up at it will look pretty crappy.
Unfortunately there is no way of encoding a file for yt where it wont re-encode it so you just need to give it a very high quality source if you want an ok end result. YT actually suggests for best quality to encode at 50Mbps for 1080p but I think thats overkill in most cases and 20-25 will end up looking quite good still.
But when it comes to enoding there is no point ever encoding at a higher rate then your source file, but each re-encode loses quality so your best of giving it something good or it will properly butcher the end video.
Shadowplay encodes files in 50Mbps which is still a smaller file then what fraps will give you but if you want to get a good result after the yt butchering best to encode a 1080p file in H264 MP4 format 2 pass encode with a bitrate of at least 20Mbps.
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So it sounds like I have to record at the highest resolution possible and then use a massive bitrate. How big does your file to upload end up being?
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geezuss, Marty, you must have some industrial pipe there for uploading...
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As a reference for quality I had a bit rate of 24Mbps which worked out to be 173M per minute of video, that video was 611 meg all up once completed. I think if you put a lot of time into the video then you want some half decent quality by the end of it on Yt.
Edit: And Bird, it is only a bit over an hour to upload that, not to long in my book.
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Yeah, makes sense... and then you need the patience to wait for the upload.
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Yeah, makes sense... and then you need the patience to wait for the upload.
1 hour 20 min.
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If only I could upload the video from the race server... at over 60 megabytes/sec.
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We would all be using cloud servers then as web PC's ;D
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We would all be using cloud servers then as web PC's ;D
Keep laughing but it's probable that we'll arrive to that point (again) Altho first we need that bloody NBN - the proper one!
And at that point it won't matter that much anymore... :)
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Yeah, makes sense... and then you need the patience to wait for the upload.
I just start the upload before bed then its done in the morning so no waiting really.
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Here is another video uploaded not league stuff but just testing yt upload quality encoded at 1440p 35Mbps, no idea how long it took as I uploaded it overnight. The one hounding me all race was Guybrush so its also a rare moment where I kept him behind for a full race even if its only 4 laps. ;D
[youtube]ImDBsZLCkyU[/youtube]