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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on September 22, 2016, 11:41:28 PM
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I have tweaked a rolling start app called RRL_Lights, borrowed from here (http://redlineracingleague.co.uk/forum/m/35078184/viewthread/28185820-rrl-lights-app/page/1) for the GT season.
I've tested it offline, but please download it and try it online, say on one of Marty's servers with a few guys who all have the app.
What it does is:
- The red AC start lights come on and go off, as normal.
- Then you take off and form a single-file procession. The app tells you which driver to stay behind. If you get out of position, it blinks the name at you (I added this "driver to stay behind" stuff).
- It advises a 180 kph speed limit for the leader.
- At 75% lap distance, red lights come on in the app, and it tells you to prepare for the start. At this stage, the leader is advised of a 80 kph speed limit.
- As soon as the leader crosses the start line, the lights go green, and then disappear shortly thereafter.
The app doesn't enforce it, but the idea would be no overtaking under green lights before the start line.
The app shows up for 5 seconds in non-race sessions (or when you're in pits too, I think), so you can position it on the screen. You'd put it somewhere where it's not going to obscure your view, like near the top of the screen.
To install, download and extract the folder into your steamapps\common\assettocorsa\apps\python folder.
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Wally, does it just following the grid order? I was thinking that we could try it on Thursday's for Race 2 reverse grid rolling starts.
PS. Setting (or not being able to set) Grid positions got to be the biggest weakness in AC multiplayer.
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Wally, does it just following the grid order? I was thinking that we could try it on Thursday's for Race 2 reverse grid rolling starts.
PS. Setting (or not being able to set) Grid positions got to be the biggest weakness in AC multiplayer.
Yes, it works off the grid order. It's not really suited to easily reverse the order from a previous race session.
I agree, it would be much better for the game to handle this natively.
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Thanks very much wally, this will be awesome for Thursday nights
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Thanks very much wally, this will be awesome for Thursday nights
It really only works if a grid order has been set for the race session, say by the previous qually session. It would work too if you just join straight into a race session, in a random order.
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If you could do your magic and somehow get it to read the last race results, then modify the grid on the spot with some kind of admin app you would have that then just sends data to all others with the app.
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For testing the app it would be best to have a closed server too, so best to be a xgn server with a pass as you dont really want to be doing it in a server with others not using the app. Still most of mine stay empty but if you have 2 or 3 in then more will cone and make it a bit of a hassle.
I can put up a passworded server to test on if you want with any combo. I cant do tonight now until much later but should be able to test it out a bit over the weekend.
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For testing the app it would be best to have a closed server too, so best to be a xgn server with a pass as you dont really want to be doing it in a server with others not using the app. Still most of mine stay empty but if you have 2 or 3 in then more will cone and make it a bit of a hassle.
I can put up a passworded server to test on if you want with any combo. I cant do tonight now until much later but should be able to test it out a bit over the weekend.
Agree. I am up for testing it tomorrow... I am scared of rolling starts, though. ;)
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If you could do your magic and somehow get it to read the last race results, then modify the grid on the spot with some kind of admin app you would have that then just sends data to all others with the app.
Apps themselves are pretty limited and self-contained. You can't really do anything like that in an app, that I know of. Maybe with a server plugin. I might have to read up about server plugins.
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Has anyone had a chance to try this online? I'm mostly curious to see if the name of the driver to stay behind works.
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Can we please test this at Nords?
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Can we please test this at Nords?
::) :P
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Hopefully we can test it in the practice time before next Tuesday's races. Some things behave differently online and offline, and online is hard to test by yourself.
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Hopefully we can test it in the practice time before next Tuesday's races. Some things behave differently online and offline, and online is hard to test by yourself.
Why don't you post when you have time to test it yourself and those of us around at the time can jump in to help?
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Hopefully we can test it in the practice time before next Tuesday's races. Some things behave differently online and offline, and online is hard to test by yourself.
Why don't you post when you have time to test it yourself and those of us around at the time can jump in to help?
Believe it or not, I get bugger all time to test things like this. It's usually early Sunday morning.
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Tried it in a normal race online (so I didn't follow the instructions).
When grat stayed in front, it kept telling me to back off and leave space until just before the start straight, when it said catch up.
When I passed grat the next race, it permanently said "stay behind grat" but did nothing when I passed the start in front.
It looks like it should work, but still needs a proper test. ;)
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I just tested in some races seemed to do as it should. One thing I wonder why single file and not side by side rolling starts. If people cant drive an out lap side by side then they wont be able to do it in a race.
Also having a 2 wide rolling start may teach some more about how to leave room and be aware of others in traffic. If its single file starts it would be better off doing standing starts I think.
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It sounds not too bad then. I gave it a bit of a go on a pub server where it didn't display a name to follow, but the pub servers are a bit chaotic with people popping in and out, or not setting any qualifying time at all.
Single file rolling starts work best as we've seen on Thursday nights. It's enough for people to remember who they have to follow, let alone what side to be on ;)
A single file start is much safer, otherwise there's not much difference to a standing start.
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Just tested it by myself, it works for one. ;) :P
I did notice that tyres are cold and under-pressure by the start (@mugello at least), so starts may not be as simple as it appears. :-X
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Tonights races would be a good time for us to test the app I think. We could all have the app and also be on teamspeak so easy to communicate any issues.
I think it would be good to experiment with a single file rolling start and also possibly a double file. Being a fun run if it turns to crap its not a big deal but no better way to test this now I would think.
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For simplicity's sake, I want to stick with single file rolling starts. Otherwise we'll just have more incidents on colder tyres.
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For simplicity sake then it would be easier to stick to standing starts with tyre warmers on. ;)
I dont see why you give the league guys so little credit in being able to do a 2 wide rolling start, even if just for an experiment. My main reason is single file will just put even more emphasis on qualifying and make it more likely to stay a procession from start to finish aka more boring racing. Incidents happen at starts of races and mostly because people are unaware of those around them, force them side by side at slower speed will make them need to be more aware of running side by side at much slower pace. If they cant do this then they have no hope doing it in a full on battle I think and at that point why even bother racing if someone is unable to drive alongside another car.
Im not saying anyone here cant run side by side and why I propose 2 wide rolling starts, by saying it wont work and cause more issues means you or most people think many here cant run side by side.
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These races are primarily endurance type races rather than sprints, so I want to avoid the mad scramble to gain places at T1. Single file rolling starts will help that. You have an hour after that in the endurance rounds to make places.
I introduced rolling starts since the GT style races use them. And yes, I know they have double file rolling starts.
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Fuck that, let's go old skool, 3-wide! 8)
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Fuck that, let's go old skool, 3-wide! 8)
But with 2 drivers randomly selected to start in reverse gear... I like this.
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Fuck that, let's go old skool, 3-wide! 8)
But with 2 drivers randomly selected to start in reverse gear... I like this.
Maybe you should do the whole race in reverse? Sound like a fair handicap?
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Fuck that, let's go old skool, 3-wide! 8)
But with 2 drivers randomly selected to start in reverse gear... I like this.
Maybe you should do the whole race in reverse? Sound like a fair handicap?
Wouldn't it be fun for half the grid to drive one way and the other half to drive around the other way? I'd love to see that. 10 lap race around Baskerville with a full grid?
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After last night's test of the rolling start app showed problems with the drive list it occurred to me that it might work with a pre-configured entry list of drivers?
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After last night's test of the rolling start app showed problems with the drive list it occurred to me that it might work with a pre-configured entry list of drivers?
It might do. I'm simplifying the app to take out that name stuff, and I'll try to make it display what position you should be in. I think that getting information about your own car is reliable, but flaky when you try to get information about other cars.
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Did a quick test of the app pre tonights race with Grat. Mine said GO GO GO as soon as the session changed over but once we got going it said keep a safe distance and stay in p2 which was correct. For Grat who was in P1 it was also saying stay in P2 but he also got keep under 100kmh once the lights went red yet mine never said this so it must have assumed he was in p1. The lights went green when leader crossed the line and I think this is a bit of an issue.
People could use this to back off a little from the leader if they know he will go at the line and so get a small jump on them and maybe a pass into t1. A good option if possible would be to have lights flash red with 500 to go and then go green as soon as leader exceeds 100kmh and therefore has started the race. This would mean apps need to communicate in some way so possibly not likely unless the leaders app calls race start in chat and all other apps would then read this and go green?
This would give the leader the control of the race either within a certain distance of the line or after the last turn for example and passes after app calls race start would be valid. This would need the app to know all cars positions so maybe it should read this a few seconds after the session changes rather then exactly on session change where AC really does some weird chit that could be causing the position issues.
Will do a report here after the races and maybe good if a few others do also to give Wally some feedback.
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If anyone tried to get a run on me before the start line I'd just chuck on the brakes just before the start line and they'd probably get a penalty for passing.
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After tonights races it seems the app is fairly hit and miss, my app showed nothing on both race starts it worked for some but not for others. The starts are fairly easy to managed simply with teamspeak and from the front even a double file start worked ok but some guys at the back say they had a pile up so maybe not as good as it looked.
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Yeah mine worked on the first race except it told me to get into P18 even though I was supposed to be in P16, then it didn't work at all in the 2nd race...
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mine didn't work both races
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Mine didn't work for either race, but it wasn't hard to just follow the person ahead and go when it was shouted in TS
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Thanks for the feedback guys. When you say "didn't work", what did you see (or not see)? They use this app in the Redline Racing League, so I'm surprised that it doesn't work. But I did add the position stuff. Maybe there's a good reason why they didn't have it :)
I might have to just use their app as is, which gives you the green lights and gap prompts, which is still better than nothing.
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Thanks for the feedback guys. When you say "didn't work", what did you see (or not see)? They use this app in the Redline Racing League, so I'm surprised that it doesn't work. But I did add the position stuff. Maybe there's a good reason why they didn't have it :)
I might have to just use their app as is, which gives you the green lights and gap prompts, which is still better than nothing.
Hi Wally: what I saw (both races: P1 in race 1, P3 in race 2) was just the grey box saying RRL etc. and the Kunos logo. Nothing else. The real problem for me was that the grey box remained on even after the end of the formation lap and almost lost the car trying to reach for the mouse and click on the logo.
In any case: there was no real difficulty using TS to "call" for the start. Ultimately, if green lights just come at a predetermined place/time (when leader crosses line), then it does not make much of a difference, I think. I understand it looks cooler, but if there is the risk of it not working properly, maybe the old-style "go, go, go!" over TS is fine...
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If you click the pin on the top right then the grey box should should become transparent.
It worked both times for me, and only showed up during the races. It was telling me when to close the gap and when to back off. Lights went green as soon as the leader crossed the line. I didn't see it telling me what position to be in, but I didn't get out of position at all, so maybe it only does that when you are out of position?
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For me when it didnt work the app was blank in both races the same as it is in non race sessions. It worked on the first test with Grat but in the 2 races it showed nothing. It also didnt hide itself so it showed a grey box with the pin visible but nothing inside.
When it worked properly it would also vanish completly after the start. Personally as it was I would rather not run it as then I had to find the mouse to remove the box after the race start.
I dont really think you need an app to tell you the gaps and it kept telling me to leave soace when I was a fair way behind the time it worked. In the races I was less then 2 tenths behind Grat for a few laps about 1 car length. Yet the app wanted me to be about 5 car lengths behind.
I think people can figure out how close to run to others without hitting them and how to maintain the position and stay behind the person they are meant to without needing the app. If it was able to reset grid order then it would be quite usefull but as is I dont see it doing anything.
On teamspeak the leader can simply call the race start and this will do all the app is doing. I also posted a video of both the single and 2 wide starts in the practice race thread to show how they went. With the app not working for many there were no issues on the formation laps with either option and I really dont see any benefits in using this app.
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Yeah, I think the app is more trouble than it's worth. We'll just use TS and organise ourselves. I'll write up some "rules" in a bit so everyone's on the same page.
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IF it worked the only thing it did was give the green when the leader hit the line.
Now we'll just have to go half a second after he gasses it, when he says go. :-X
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IF it worked the only thing it did was give the green when the leader hit the line.
Now we'll just have to go half a second after he gasses it, when he says go. :-X
or half a second before if possible :)
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IF it worked the only thing it did was give the green when the leader hit the line.
Now we'll just have to go half a second after he gasses it, when he says go. :-X
If you have a look at the replay of race 1, you can see I actually go after Marty by a tiny bit, because I said "Ok,... let's go, go, go" and I kind of went on my second "go!". But yeah, most people are not as dumb as I am ;)
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IF it worked the only thing it did was give the green when the leader hit the line.
Now we'll just have to go half a second after he gasses it, when he says go. :-X
If you have a look at the replay of race 1, you can see I actually go after Marty by a tiny bit, because I said "Ok,... let's go, go, go" and I kind of went on my second "go!". But yeah, most people are not as dumb as I am ;)
I also did know you were going to go at the line and it was 5m away so I took a punt. :)