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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on January 02, 2016, 08:22:26 PM
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I won't be able to make this Tuesday (damn relatives and their birthdays).
But here's what I was thinking of putting up. Maybe someone wants to put this up on Tuesday night, or change it however you see fit.
Lotus 72D vs Ferrari 312T at Monza '66 (1 x 13 laps), Paul Ricard (2 x 9 laps - one race with the chicane, one without the chicane).
Paul Ricard 0.95 track download is HERE (http://explore-game.com/product/paul-ricard-v0-9-5/).
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That lotus vs fezza at Monza sounds gorgeous - but Paul Ricard is sure heaps of fun!
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The cars are very evenly matched.
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Sounds fun. I've got out of the habit of playing AC since the baby and need to get back into it more regularly! Wish I had a permanent setup as the main thing I can't be bothered with is setting up my wheel etc..
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Seeing the forum was down I assumed it was modern Monza, I have 2 servers up one with the official XGN server at paul ricard this is open to most MR ratings. The Monza 1 is a Marty's server and is only AB grades as this would be carnage otherwise and I have changed it now to Monza 66.
I am trying to figure out how to get a whitelist from stracker to run alongside with MR filtering that way I could white list all xgn members while still only allowing AB or C grade MR users to help avoid keeping the rif raf out. If only AB then the others should be at a reasonable standard to not really bother xgn guys in practice.
I recently found another cool feature in stracker which allows you to change session lengths and race length from within game and no need to restart the server. The changes take effect on the next session, simply people need to be added to the admin group`then stracker gives extra commands available to make these changes. I will add Wally and a few others that use these servers regularly in the admin group and that way if they practice on their own can change qualy time or race lengths within server.
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Seeing the forum was down I assumed it was modern Monza, I have 2 servers up one with the official XGN server at paul ricard this is open to most MR ratings. The Monza 1 is a Marty's server and is only AB grades as this would be carnage otherwise and I have changed it now to Monza 66.
I am trying to figure out how to get a whitelist from stracker to run alongside with MR filtering that way I could white list all xgn members while still only allowing AB or C grade MR users to help avoid keeping the rif raf out. If only AB then the others should be at a reasonable standard to not really bother xgn guys in practice.
I recently found another cool feature in stracker which allows you to change session lengths and race length from within game and no need to restart the server. The changes take effect on the next session, simply people need to be added to the admin group`then stracker gives extra commands available to make these changes. I will add Wally and a few others that use these servers regularly in the admin group and that way if they practice on their own can change qualy time or race lengths within server.
Are you going to run something tomorrow night Marty? I won't be around (although may drop in for a late race).
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Tuesday night would be good :)
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I think having the combos you suggested will do half half lotus and ferrari for the grid, usual time server will just be passworded with the regular xgn pass. Had some great fun racing lotus vs ferrari at Paul ricard but havent ran at Monza 66 yet though they should also be fun there. Maybe just switch them over as Paul Ricard is a bit trickier and so better having the server up earlier so people can run some laps there. Monza is pretty basic a layout even if setups may need a fair bit of a change so there will be a 20 min qualy there before the race.
Will run just on the prac server so stracker will be there to log results and MR will just run in the background to help grade people that may not have ran many laps in these servers yet. There wont be any MR filtering so all with the pass will be able to get in.
For the Monza run we can do 66 or modern layout, just see what people are more keen to do and so this can be decided over TS on the nite. I did run a server last week with this combo at Monza and it was quite fun though it will be trickier for those that havent ran there yet. I am pretty sure Bird and Bacchulum would suggest the historic but we will just go with a majority vote either in this thread or after race 1 in chat if not enough votes are made here.
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Thanks Marty. I was thinking of Monza 66 first up as an ”easy” track for people who may have had no practice to jump straight into, before the trickier Paul Ricard.
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Could we try fixed setups for Monza?
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Could we try fixed setups for Monza?
now that sounds good to me, I find it easier to adapt to setups than create one that suits (hehe) my driving "style".
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Marty, Guybrush and Phil have good setups for these cars. Perhaps they could work out a good, easy-driving setup for Monza. I realise low downforce is the quickest but it is also the most difficult to handle. By going fixed setups it might make for a fun night for those just joining without any practise.
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Could we try fixed setups for Monza?
We could but then maybe better with just one car there, I can make a fairly easy to drive setup in either one but to make both cars match up would be unlikely. On their limits the cars can match up fairly well but mostly because you can run the lotus motor harder which balances out the more power the ferrari motor has which is easy to destroy at high rpm and needs to be run at lower rpm.
Even if we dont go fixed setups the server will be running stracker so guys can easily share setups in the server. I think maybe a more basic car would be better with fixed setups but the server can also be setup to limit only parts of the setup. You could force rear aero a bit higher here in both cars and this would make for more drafting and possibly easier to drive cars.
In order for the setup sharing to work though you need the latest stable build or the old experimental 3.1.6 which has just been moved to stable. If you have that no need to update to stable build as its the exact same build.
You may need to install the Microsoft Redistributables 2015 to be able to upload a setup to the server but to just download them this shouldnt be needed.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=48145
Thanks Marty. I was thinking of Monza 66 first up as an ”easy” track for people who may have had no practice to jump straight into, before the trickier Paul Ricard.
Main reason I think the other way around is people can have more practice and qualy time at Paul ricard. If its race 2 they will only get 15 or 20 minutes in qualy to learn the track and find a setup.
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sound too difficult for a off season fun night, IMO. Thanks for info Marty
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Thursday nights, season 2 is going to be a fixed setup, in probably the old Porche spyder,
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I don't think I'll be there tonight guys. I pulled apart my pot and cleaned everything out properly, which worked for a day, but now it's back to normal.
It's just too frustrating having a spiking pedal. You never know when it's going to spike or cut and can cause accidents, so will more than likely give it a miss.
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moving my desk around has been more of a mission than I expected... if my wife claims my study as the baby room I will cry...
So I'm out for tonight :'(
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sound too difficult for a off season fun night, IMO. Thanks for info Marty
Fixed setups themselves are very simple to do, it just needs a setup loaded to the server. Any settings you remove from the setup will be adjustable but any settings already in it will be fixed. So you can have a fully fixed setup or just some parts fixed which is quite handy. If a fixed setup is there clients just join as normal nothing extra is needed.
The other alternative is we can have an open setup and people share their setups in ptracker. I normally put my current setup there so if anyone has ptracker they can fairly easily download these ingame. However the extra MS download is only needed if you want to upload setups as this seems to be a limitation with the latest ptracker running a newer version of the c++ redist package then most systems have installed.
I think ptracker is a great tool combined with stracker and would highly recommend others to use it. Its amazing how much this program can do and without it AC would be very primitive.
With features like live deltas to all, best lap for all, lap comparison, set delta to any other lap to compare real time, share setups, store pb delta, adjust session time and laps in server with no reset, lap validation, checksum validation, season standings, race results and more.
Some may think its a bit of a hassle to install but for the 5 seconds that takes it adds so much to MP in AC im amazed everyone doesnt run it.
It would be nice if it stracker ran on official race nites too as Kunos timing sucks so bad many times its hard to see what the qualy times are. In race ptracker works fine even with stracker off but it doesnt register times when your in yhe pit or not in the server. So qualy times quite often on race nites I have no idea about if the kunos app fails which it does very often.
Actually stracker and ptracker should be official and added to the game. Now with more admin controls we will likely be able to adjust grids for reverse grids or even penalties in the server. Kunos has shown they cant sort basic timing in mp yet so maybe they should just get the guy that can to work with them.
I don't think I'll be there tonight guys. I pulled apart my pot and cleaned everything out properly, which worked for a day, but now it's back to normal.
It's just too frustrating having a spiking pedal. You never know when it's going to spike or cut and can cause accidents, so will more than likely give it a miss.
Bad luck GB but your still quick enough with a spiking pedal. If your nice I will promise to turn off that pedal spiking app I installed on your computer too. ;D
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Thursday nights, season 2 is going to be a fixed setup, in probably the old Porche spyder,
Now this sounds awesome ;D
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I could try stracker on the server, if you tell me how to do it Marty. I like how easy it makes it to share setups.
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I will send you an email later Wally regarding stracker setup, it looks more complicated then it actually is. The setup ini has lots of stuff in it but you really only need to put in the server cfg location, make a port available for it and copy over the files to the server. Then once you have it all in there simply run the Stracker plugin as you would the acserver and thats it.
I did run some laps at Monza 66 in both cars, The Ferrari is about 1 second quicker but I pushed harder to try match the time in the Lotus and so got within .5 but id be unlikely to go so close to the wall at the lesmos for that sort of time. The Ferrari I was only running at 101% engine but the lotus at 108% the Ferrari still has a bit more grunt with its bigger motor even at lower RPM.
I made a setup for both with my Lotus setup modified from my paul ricard one, not real low aero as the car's simply doesnt turn and lose speed that way. For the Ferrari I started with Phils Base at Paul Ricard but made a few changes to it and the Ferrari setup for me is a bit easier to drive as it does that laptime fairly easily driving the same in the lotus would be probably 1.5 seconds down.
Here is a comparison between the 312T and Lotus at Monza, the Lotus is a little slower but will still be able to compete well enough, getting a draft from the others here will likely be worth an extra second or more.
http://52.62.71.102:50041/lapstat?currservers=acserver4
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/ab2b/bylatvty109bb5a6g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?bylatvty109bb5a)
I have attached my setups but havent made one for the ferrari at Paul Riccard as I havent driven it there yet.
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Race Server is up Paul Ricard is up first 2x9 laps races there then will do 1x13 laps at Monza 66, qualifying should Start at 8:30PM Melbourne time and be 15 minutes. A shorter 10 min qualy for race 2 then 20 minute qualy at Monza 66. Server has the regular XGN password.
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Seems Teamspeak is down so we can use Phils Gamevox from here.
http://xgn.com.au/index.php?PHPSESSID=0389eiqka0b8g4q5cog6ise3p7&topic=1243.0
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Thursday nights, season 2 is going to be a fixed setup, in probably the old Porche spyder,
that sounds good
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Thursday nights, season 2 is going to be a fixed setup, in probably the old Porche spyder,
that sounds good
Teamspeak url is now ts3.xgn.com.au - I'm on it now.
I'm also on Gamevox but I'm not sure everyone has that installed?
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Seems Teamspeak is down so we can use Phils Gamevox from here.
http://xgn.com.au/index.php?PHPSESSID=0389eiqka0b8g4q5cog6ise3p7&topic=1243.0
The "regular" ts is at ts.xgn.com.au.
We also have the backup TS, we just need someone to configure it up. It's at ts3.xgn.com.au
we've full control over the ts3.xgn.com.au one, it's sitting on the same server as this site
:)
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Seems Teamspeak is down so we can use Phils Gamevox from here.
http://xgn.com.au/index.php?PHPSESSID=0389eiqka0b8g4q5cog6ise3p7&topic=1243.0
The "regular" ts is at ts.xgn.com.au.
We also have the backup TS, we just need someone to configure it up. It's at ts3.xgn.com.au
we've full control over the ts3.xgn.com.au one, it's sitting on the same server as this site
:)
So which TS should we normally use now? ts or ts3?
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Wally, it's up to us.
For now I've set a lot of us to be server admins - we can do nearly every older member, who cares :)
And I've created an AC channel protected with the regular password.
We can do fun stuff later - if you guys want to and have the time.
I'm hoping this will be more stable, and if it seems problematic we can diagnose & try to fix it - after all we've full control :)
But migrating here would mean we're drifting apart - not that I've had much to do with the ugn guys lately, even though they're very nice chaps.
Maybe just keep this as a backup? I don't mind either way.
On topic; these cars are heaps of fun and the track selection was excellent! I've really enjoyed the night, thanks guys.
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It's a bummer I missed it.
I'd prefer to use the more stable one - ts3? You're probably the only person who ever spoke to a UGN guy anyway ;)
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Thanks Guys for the races was good fun in these cars at these track.
Here are the race results just playing around with Stracker season Click the little "i" Tab to go to the individual session results.
Podium for the Nite Was Marty, Gratulin and Bacchulum with 2 race wins to Marty and 1 to Gratulin.
http://52.62.71.102:50041/championship
Last race must be the closest finish I have ever had, trying to hunt down Gratulin. I thought Stracker gave me the win but in game it gave it to him.
Checking results Stracker Gives him the win by the narrowest Possible Margin of .001 :)
http://52.62.71.102:50041/sessiondetails?sessionid=925
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Yeah. I thought I should let you catch me a bit at the end ;) It was good fun to ignore your "safety car"!!!
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Thats kind of why I moved off the racing line in my safety car as it didnt look like your going to slow down. ;) But I thought I had you then you finally found a gear and the forward progress grinded to a halt here is the margin at nearly 300kmh.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/ac6d/94zahn1oweve57t6g.jpg) (https://www.mediafire.com/view/?94zahn1oweve57t)
I just noticed Phil had the fastest lap in all 3 races, just a shame he had a couple mistakes, race 2 especially was looking like a ripper and it was going to be hard keeping that Ferrari behind. Luckily I just had the pace onto the straights where it counted thanks to my maxed out lotus engine. I think that would have been a costly nite for the team as I needed a new gearbox after each session.
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Why were there so many DNFs? Were they crashes, or blown engines?
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Wowee nice work Gratulin! and .001 too!
I will have a look at the stats, but happy to get around in such a fast car... Thanks for the setup up Phil and Marty.
Certainly an interesting track, so many blind corners and no undulations.
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Why were there so many DNFs? Were they crashes, or blown engines?
Crashes mostly, methinks.
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Why were there so many DNFs? Were they crashes, or blown engines?
It was pretty late and very easy to lose concentration at Monza66. I normally can't concentrate that long either but I had Marty to beat so had to keep going!!! :D :D
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I didn't do enough (any) practice in these cars and had crashed about five times before I quit. I've been tooling around in the McLaren for the GT3s.
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Wowee nice work Gratulin! and .001 too!
I will have a look at the stats, but happy to get around in such a fast car... Thanks for the setup up Phil and Marty.
Certainly an interesting track, so many blind corners and no undulations.
Q2 Phil also got me by .008 so a few close margins I got done by on the nite. :'( ;D
http://52.62.71.102:50041/sessiondetails?sessionid=920#
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Lol such a shame I go to pieces in most races, Dunno why , not nervous or anything, just stupid mistakes, maybe I should turn my music down for race starts :)
I didn't finish last race due to a smash
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Lol such a shame I go to pieces in most races, Dunno why , not nervous or anything, just stupid mistakes, maybe I should turn my music down for race starts :)
I didn't finish last race due to a smash
I had that issue in the Nords races pretty much stuffed every one, probably because I was needing to overdrive a bit to keep up with GB. Its always hard to try and find a race pace that you can keep up and avoid errors. In those cars though I found backing off too much I made more mistakes and nearly blew the gearbox in race 1 when I had a bit of a gap. When you were all over me I had to keep more focused to run a clean error free line as I thought if you ever got past id be fooked and was never going to catch you. The same with GB I need to get ahead of him at the start and then I have some hope but chasing him he makes less errors then me at the same pace so I either settle for second a few seconds back or try and push as hard as possible hoping to force him into an error before I do. That failed at Nords and I can normally run very good consitant laps there so it was quite frustrating.
At Paul Ricard in Practice I saw both you and GB had the pace on me in the Lotus but it has a few strengths in critical corners, Its a shame GB wasnt there and not too many had ran enough laps to be quite up to pace yet. For example Monza66 I had the advantage of running some laps there before but everyone got very close to that pace by the end of the race. Had we had a second race there it may have been very close, I did notice the Lotus there got no help on the draft down the main straight where the ferrari would real it in.
But that would be a great combo in a large field but those cars have a very fine line between gaining .2 and wrecking the car, Id love to see a race there in a proper league nite in equal cars especially slower ones. I think I will put up Monza 66 in a fixed setup with some slower cars on one of my servers it should be some great racing.
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I didn't do enough (any) practice in these cars and had crashed about five times before I quit. I've been tooling around in the McLaren for the GT3s.
Don't worry about that. I've never driven the car & track combo we started with. It's part of the fun. :)
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Here is a little video of a few laps in race 2 as Phil was hunting me down, unfortunately he got a bit excited on the throttle when he sniffed a chance and that ended the battle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wzdfsj7d3Y
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Are you double-clutching on the upshifts? It sounds like it :)
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Awesome video, apart from the last bit :) thanks for that Marty, probably first time seen myself drive in a replay, I never save them.
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Are you double-clutching on the upshifts? It sounds like it :)
No just regular clutch on upshifts probably just sounds different to the computer shifting for you with paddles. ;D I was surprised that you can flatshift this thing I assumed youd still need to lift but I guess not.