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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on May 10, 2016, 10:06:06 PM
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RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2016/05/s11r5-toyota-gt86-at-nurburgring-sprint.html)
Clean starts - no penalties.
Round Points
Matthew111 68
Marty 66
Grat 65
Jeremy 65
Bacchulum 54
StanDaam 52
Freezer 50
Mael 50
Phil.8 50
Doobs 45
hylas 44
Bafs17 41
Wally 40
Chap111 39
Rob 31
Vipergod 30
Lan9az 22
Flattop 19
slideways 14
Congratulations to Matthew, Marty and Grat for the race wins, and Matthew for the round win.
Season Podium
1. Marty, 259
2. Matthew, 250
3. Jeremy, 245
Struggle Street Racing Crew have a comfortable team lead, 495 points over Golden Goats 420.
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Fun racing, race 1 was a great battle with everyone saw some 4 wide stuff that didnt end in tears so good stuff there. I had a real good start but then picked the wrong side to try pass Wally as there was a slower car ahead of him on that side, this meant I needed to lift off quite a bit and I think I lost about 5 spots from that point into the last turn. I then caught back up to the lead pack but it looked fairly angry lol, I saw a bit of rubbing and then a couple cars got into each and so where quite slow exiting the middle hairpin. I had a clear run on the right but they all got together again sending cars each direction and one of them cam across tagged me and put me back to near last again once I had stopped spinning and could rejoin the track.
Race 2 Starting mid pack I thought I had a good chance, early on one of the cars I was following somehow nailed the hard barrier at the chicane then bounced back into the middle just as I was about to get there. I had nowhere to go and trashed the front of the car, from there I thought I may be in a fair bit of trouble as Grat, Matthew, Phil and Jeremy had all caught me as I was getting going again. Surprisingly the car could still churn out reasonable laps but was quite understeery into the fast corners mostly the last chicane. I had then caught up to I think it was Phil and Bacchulum and maybe BAFS too, it was hard working getting past any of them. With one lap to go and Matthew all over me like a bad smell I got alongside Bacchulum down the main straigth, I only had the outside available and managed to make the move stick into t2 and Matthew also got past. Then I just had to hope Matthew wouldnt get by me before the finish which luckily I managed to hang on to.
Race 3 was probably the cleanest I had, Early on I just followed Matthew around within about .2 of a second for the first few laps. He then was defending my outside pass attempt into t1 again and outbraked himself a bit ending up running into Wally. Seeing I wasnt involved with any of the contact I figured Id sneak through the middle of them 3 wide. Then I took a while to catch Jeremy and had a great battle but I cant remember exactly where I made the move but then I only had 1 lap left to try to catch Grat. I put in a good lap but was too far back to quite get a look and so he hung on for another nice race win.
I dont think I would have gone too well as I had a poor finish race 1 but may have got some fastest laps and a 1st and 2nd so shouldnt have lost too many points to those chasing in the season with some luck.
I will make a replay with the broadcast app, though one that looks pretty cool doesnt work in replays only live and Minolins one I cant seem to get to work.
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Race 1 was busy, with a wall of cars in front of me. Coming into the "shortcut", I faced a Doobs/Freezer incident blocking the track which caught me in a sandwich. After that, it was just a real good, tight race, around the likes of Phil, Freezer and hylas. I managed to jag a couple more places in the last few corners after Rob and Bacchulum had a touch.
In race 2, I turned into the side of Grat on the fast right hander, skidded, nearly caught it, but ended up fishtailing across the track under brakes, coming off the worst to drop back to last. From there I managed to pass Slideways and Lan9az as they both fell off the track. From there, I couldn't catch the Stan/Freezer battle.
In the 3rd race, I got pushed around a bit, but on watching the replay, it was probably hard but just fair. It was a pretty ragged race - I got a 10 second penalty for too many cuts, and my gearbox was nearly ruined. My tyres felt very slippery by the end, and the smallest touch ups that you could absorb earlier in the race would send me spinning off the track, rejoining near the back of the pack. I noticed afterwards that my rear tyres had 10 and 12% graining, so that explains the slipperiness. I got the "loneliest" award in race 3 after my last excursion off-track. Boo hoo.
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I was hit or I hit cars in the middle of the track every race. Any chance of a decent season result gone in one night. Feels like racing on a public server with all the dive bombing this format has seemed to have taught peoples
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I was hit or I hit cars in the middle of the track every race. Any chance of a decent season result gone in one night. Feels like racing on a public server with all the dive bombing this format has seemed to have taught peoples
Yeah, that's always the risk with reverse grids. Instead of the field just stretching out and giving you maybe 1 or 2 hard passing battles in a normal order, you have pretty much everyone trying to pass you. So the plus side is lots of close action; the downside is the occasional rough pass.
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Difficult night, found it extremely difficult to make clean passes and/or kept getting involved in other drivers troubles.
Main apologies to @StanDaam for big shunt and Wally for multiple bumps. I blame the track ;D
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I was hit or I hit cars in the middle of the track every race. Any chance of a decent season result gone in one night. Feels like racing on a public server with all the dive bombing this format has seemed to have taught peoples
Seems some guys are lacking a bit of patience, overall I have avoided most of the bad stuff and I do try my best to make all passes clean. I did get a few hits in the rear but none of them really effected me much and the damage didnt do too much. I dont think I hit anyone hard enough to actually have any effect on their car. I hit Lan9az race 2 when he nailed a barrier at the chicane ahead of me I couldn't avoid. The t1 incident was rather messy ahead which is a shame as it was shaping up to be a good battle for the podium until that by a few of us.
Overall looking at it its hard to say who is exactly at fault but simply quite a few being a little too pushy trying to get past. The rubbing just built up until they all ended up hitting each-other and I just happened to be in the wrong spot and got taken out. Had I stayed behind the guys I likely would also have ended up in the collision so I think as they all got together anyone else around them would have needed to get lucky to avoid that.
There is an overhead from Jeremy's car, its the only one that has no label not laying blame on anyone here but wonder if anyone else sees much more then just sloppiness all round by most involved.
https://youtu.be/15MFgc1Vn_w
The other contacts I had were a couple of little rubs with the biggest one on Bacchulum end of race 1 last turn, but there I think I had the apex and he just didnt realize I was there as I snuck past following Wally I think.
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It's a good view of some very close racing. It goes to show that racing side by side is the hardest thing to get right in sim racing, when you lose sight of the other car. On the one hand, you obviously have to be side by side with someone at some stage if you're going to pass them. The trouble starts when you're out of room, normally when one car starts to move towards the apex. Even if you're side by side with someone, you run the risk of turning into the other car when you prepare to take the corner.
Because of the lack of visibility, I would always give the benefit of the doubt to the car being passed. It's up to the passing car to make sure there's enough room. In this example, you can see Matthew was faster than Bafs, and saw an opportunity to pass on the inside at the shortcut. But Bafs' natural racing line from that point is to turn in tight towards the apex, as is usually the case with any inside pass. If Bafs loses sight of Matthew's car, the collision is inevitable.
(I'll come back to this)
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Difficult night, found it extremely difficult to make clean passes and/or kept getting involved in other drivers troubles.
Main apologies to @StanDaam for big shunt and Wally for multiple bumps. I blame the track ;D
All good Mael!! You were the 3rd car in the line and couldn't see why I was braking so hard so wasn't blaming you at all. :D
Overall a good nights racing for me, had some excellent battles with Freezer n Doobs and many others!!
:P
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oops...sorry guys, I completely forgot about this one. Too much happening around here.
Hope you had fun!
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My view of the incident in the video, Vipergod was properly molested yet he did no wrong at all. He was outside and held that line but got hit multiple times. He could easily have made the same speech as Vettel in China.
The initial contact with Matthew and Bafs was fairly minor with just a slight move towards eachother from both. Bafs connection was also a bit flaky in another race so some warping may have contributed. Bafs got a proper tank slapper going and so pinballed off Matthew and Viper.
This then gave Jeremy what looked like a gap but Viper was then in a tankslapper and Bafs maybe didnt see hik so squeezed him in causing the final collision spinning a few off. Jeremy could have backed off here a little but I did the exact same move on Wally and Matthew t1 last race but the gap didnt close up like it did here.
They got together and were slow exiting with me having a very good run in the middle. I took the gap hoping both had seen me and it just worked out as they didnt close the door. Its a fairly risky move trying a pass 3 wide as it means everyone needs to be awre of eachother. Just 1 car squeezing a little can end up just like it did in that video.
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oops...sorry guys, I completely forgot about this one. Too much happening around here.
Hope you had fun!
Forgot a Tuesday night? Are you CRAZY? :)
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My view of the incident in the video, Vipergod was properly molested yet he did no wrong at all. He was outside and held that line but got hit multiple times. He could easily have made the same speech as Vettel in China.
The initial contact with Matthew and Bafs was fairly minor with just a slight move towards eachother from both. Bafs connection was also a bit flaky in another race so some warping may have contributed. Bafs got a proper tank slapper going and so pinballed off Matthew and Viper.
This then gave Jeremy what looked like a gap but Viper was then in a tankslapper and Bafs maybe didnt see hik so squeezed him in causing the final collision spinning a few off. Jeremy could have backed off here a little but I did the exact same move on Wally and Matthew t1 last race but the gap didnt close up like it did here.
They got together and were slow exiting with me having a very good run in the middle. I took the gap hoping both had seen me and it just worked out as they didnt close the door. Its a fairly risky move trying a pass 3 wide as it means everyone needs to be awre of eachother. Just 1 car squeezing a little can end up just like it did in that video.
I agree Marty. Following on from my point above, Matthew's move on the inside was risky. In real life the move is there, but with no peripheral vision, Bafs was probably not even aware that Matthew was in there.
Are we all using Helicorsa? That's the best tool we have to see who's around us. I know that in the heat of battle you might not always see it, but with practice you get a lot more awareness.
I also think Jeremy could have backed off a bit too, seeing all the trouble that was brewing, with a bit more awareness of what was going on.
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Apologies for pulling out before the last race. My old body needed painkillers yesterday and was totally zonked. I had a lot of side by side stuff last night (meaning I got passed a lot) without any real incidents. Personally, since I've been here, I think the racing is some of the cleanest I've been involved in for a long time. At times you have to make split second decisions, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. I think you guys can be a bit hard on yourselves. I always look forward to our races and I haven't always been able to say that about some leagues I've raced with.
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Apologies for pulling out before the last race. My old body needed painkillers yesterday and was totally zonked. I had a lot of side by side stuff last night (meaning I got passed a lot) without any real incidents. Personally, since I've been here, I think the racing is some of the cleanest I've been involved in for a long time. At times you have to make split second decisions, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. I think you guys can be a bit hard on yourselves. I always look forward to our races and I haven't always been able to say that about some leagues I've raced with.
The racing is generally very clean, it's true. I've only issued one opening lap penalty all season, which is quite amazing for full reverse grids. It's interesting to always try to learn and improve from others' views though.
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I wasn't sure about this pass on me in race 3 either. Watch Mael in the purple car passing on the inside of me (silver), and pushing me wide, opening up a hole that cost me 2 spots. I was squarely on the racing line while Mael was coming from half off the grass and just forced a pass. I think that one's borderline.
Again, this is just to look at the situations, discuss and learn from them.
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I think overall the racing is pretty good but the contacts could be better. I got 11 hits in race 1, none of which came from the front of my car.
The other races only slightly better. A number of the hits result in a pass being made (let's call it Push to Pass) and at times also let others fly by in the process. Inevitably with such close cars people are needing to drive to the limit but a little more patience would be good.
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I think overall the racing is pretty good but the contacts could be better. I got 11 hits in race 1, none of which came from the front of my car.
The other races only slightly better. A number of the hits result in a pass being made (let's call it Push to Pass) and at times also let others fly by in the process. Inevitably with such close cars people are needing to drive to the limit but a little more patience would be good.
Hey Freezer: Sorry, one of them was from me in race 3 at the "short-cut". Was completely my mistake. I was in the middle of many cars and could not see anything on the side of the road, so my only gauge for the braking point was your lights. I ended up braking a bit too late anyway and tried to go on your side instead of hitting you directly, but we came to contact anyway. I remember asking you on TS to re-pass me, but when I slowed down I saw Wally behind me instead of you, and so---not knowing where you ended up---I decided to go on. Sorry again.
EDIT: you can see the accident in the last one of Marty's video. As I said: even if it was a very complicated situation, it was completely my fault. I apologize.
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I think we really should avoid the push to pass mentality, if I tap someone then I will back off and wont take that postion. Its pretty much a redress situation and ifthere was an automated way to flag these then a race admin could hand out penalties for thise using push to pass. In V8 racing particularpy they are quite strict o this and drive through penalties are given for those doing it.
Its the much easier way to make a pass but I dont think its really in the spirit of clean and fair racing. However during the season Indont think anyone has pulled this move on me and the guys that have rear ended me have mostly just stuffed their braking and hit me square in the middle. Most fairly light only a few times I needed to save a car after a rear end tap.
I will need to take a look at my pass on Bacchulum in race 2 last turn but I took that spot as I thought I held the inside line and wasnt going wide. He squeezed me a bit on entry possibly not knowing I was there as I was close in behind another car.
There was also one other car I passed in a race entering the last chicane side by side. I was on the left and slowed plus left racing room to my right through the chicane. We made no contact but on the exit I saw the car running wide and to avoid contact I went 4 wheels outside and completed the pass.
I will take a look and see if they were legit passes but at the time I thought both where fair enough. If you get driven off the road then I think you should be allowed to hold the position. I easily would have made the exit but the inside car was clearly not leaving enough room so I had to take to the grass to avoid a collision.
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I wasn't sure about this pass on me in race 3 either. Watch Mael in the purple car passing on the inside of me (silver), and pushing me wide, opening up a hole that cost me 2 spots. I was squarely on the racing line while Mael was coming from half off the grass and just forced a pass. I think that one's borderline.
Again, this is just to look at the situations, discuss and learn from them.
Yeah, you and Stan made a mistake out of the chicane and I was hoping to take advantage of it. Not quite enough space I admit but bargained on the fact that you would see me on the inside and not close the door even though you probably had the right of the corner.
I did redress the position down the straight as far as i remember but obviously it allowed StanDaam to get away from you.
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In that pass it looks like Mael has run wide at the Apex so I would say its not a clean pass, if the inside car holds the inside line I think that would be a fair pass but if they come in too hot to make the apex its a bit of a dive bomb and should be redressed which is good of Mael if thats what he did.
I had a look at all my suspect passes and also the clean move made on Bacchulum for the lead last lap race 2. :)
Here is that one with Bacchulum as Matt and I both pass him clean, everyone seemed to like defending the inside at t1 I mostly preferred the outside pass there anyway. All you had to do is hope the inside car doesn't outbrake themselves and push you off the road on exit. If you manage to hang on side by side through there you have the line for t2 and 3 where being outside really has little hope of making a move stick. That is also the reason I preferred the outside of 1 as inside you need to slow too much and lose speed and if your not clear on the exit of 1 your not likely to hold the position through turns 2 and 3 here.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGzS8NJwtX0
Here is the pass I questioned at the fast chicane, this really was a sketchy place to make a move so I would only try it against people I know can hold a line. This was against Freezer and at the time I thought he was going to run wide at the exit. It seems I had enough room so well done by him to leave it, I bailed outside to avoid contact thinking I wasnt going to have enough road on the exit. In the end I didn't get the move done there but made it on the outside of the last turn. I would say I gained no advantage running off track and also we had no contact in the sketchiest bit of track to go side by side so all good. :)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kICpb2oAzQo
Here is race 1 last lap mugging of Bacchulum as he got together with another car and 3 of us made the run and got past into the last turn, comparing this to the Mael and Wally contact last turn I think I held my line and the outside car turned in on me. It only cost him the place and so I felt it was fair for me to keep that position in this case.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDjTqSoFGog
This one is interesting as its quite similar to the end of the big messy one in race 1 where Jeremy went the gap 3 wide in the middle of Vipergod and Bafs. I was making a move on Matthew into t1 outside again and he out braked himself in defence, I was checking up and running wide to get him on the double cross as I saw he wasn't going to make the corner when he started to brake. Unfortunately for Wally he ran into the back of him but it was clear that Matthew was not going to take advantage of the contact and was waiting for Wally to keep going ahead of him. As I wasn't involved in any of the contact I figured its fair enough for me to try get both spots, there was a fairly big gap in the middle and so I took it hoping they wouldn't squeeze in as happened to Jeremy. This could have ended in the same way but as I had a fair run on them I assumed they wouldn't try to defend against me and that's how it ended up a clean pass, not a very different move but a very different result. That's why though I think Jeremy could have backed off if he wasn't the one that caused the initial contacts he had every right to go the gap in the middle of the 2 slower cars. I quite likely would have done exactly the same and possibly would have ended the same way as its hard to say if you could have slowed enough to avoid contact once the door was slammed shut on him.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTDKs1kkfgc
I saw Lan9az was questioning in chat about who drove him off the road lap 1 of race 3, here is his first lap which according to results include 16 contact. Not all of it was his fault but quite a bit of it was him not holding a line and also squeezing others off the road. Possibly just due to not being aware of those around him, if on a single screen setup its very hard to see cars beside but I highly recommend he gets the helicorsa app as it greatly improves visibilty of cars around you. If you have any overlap its always best to leave room and if 3 wide you need to try and drive as straight a line as possible as drifting across the road will cause the end result he had this lap.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBE36qPB4U
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Sorry to anyone I had contact with in R3, I should have skipped it like slideways as my pain killers had me a bit slow witted by then. :(
Marty, I didn't really have a choice but to defend the inside line at the end of R2 as you were outside of me from the last corner. ;)
And the 'mugging' was fair, I didn't see you behind the other car and closed the door on you. :(
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Yea well its kind of expected to defend the inside line at t1 even if its not necessarily the fastest or best option. This is why most passes I made were outside as people can only chose 1 side to defend. However as you said in that case I was outside on exit last turn so that made our t1 decisions for us and I was normally fairly good exiting the last turn having my decision made for me quite a few times.
In general I prefer it if guys choose to overly defend as it just makes it much easier to pass them. If behind and someone cleary wants an inside lane they are pretty much saying I wont let you pass here but will be very slow on exit to give you a nice chance into the next turn. I then just take away their entry by going outside and wait to see what they do. If they look like they will brake too late I will go wider and get a late apex for the inside pass. If they make the apex I will hang in outside and take away their exit so they will also need to slow more and we will likely be side by side into the next turn.
Someone holding the racing line hitting apexes is the hardest to pass. Its also the best form of defense and the guys trying to hold position by late braking when no actual pass is made are just risking an error costing them the pass.
The late braker or dive bomber is quite hazardpus to have behind and these guys I normally take the inside line early to showthat the divebomb is not on. Its impossible for a divebomber to ever make an outside pass and nore to avoid them hitting me I try to make it as obvious as possible that I have taken away that play.
This is the cool thing about this season, the racing has been quite good overall and even passing in a pack can lead to being hung out to dry and end up losing a bunch of spots. This also encourages more action as people start smelling blood and like in the mugging we didint need a second invite. ;D
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I was hit or I hit cars in the middle of the track every race. Any chance of a decent season result gone in one night. Feels like racing on a public server with all the dive bombing this format has seemed to have taught peoples
Dive bombing... a matter of point of view?
Phil: please take this with a good laugh. I am the first to witness you are an impeccably clean racer, and I had tons of battles with you. I just think we all get a bit annoyed when bad luck strikes on us. But it is helpful---at least for me---to realize what you can see if you stay in somebody else's shoes.
So I have made this video. It shows three points of view on a silly lap 1 accident between me and you and others on lap 1 in race 2. (sorry for the quality guys. It is my first ever screen recording and youtube video. All in one.
First video: Phil's point of view.Freezer is a lunatic spinner, and I am a maniac pushing everybody off the road. Phil is hit many times for no reasons and ends up in the grass entering the "short-cut"
Second video: grat's point of view.Nothing to notice really. Just you are going prudent and as straight as you can but cars seem to close all over you. You brake prudently for the "short-cut" while you notice Phil coming in quite fast in the mirrors. All you can do is leave some space and hope you do not hit too many others on your left.
Third video: F5 point of view.I think that from this point of you will admit that grat did not close you into the grass. He simply got pushed in there by Freezer, who had no knowledge of how many cars were on his right and he had another car on the left. The only 2 things you can notice in the vvideo is that Phil was a bit impatient with Freezer on the last corner of the Mercedes arena and... dive mombed in the "short-cut" :)
https://youtu.be/Pwm5m6EAE6w
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Great videos and discussion, guys.
Marty is a good passer. It feels like every pass is a patient, clean one. Maybe it's easier to pass when you know you're the fastest guy out there :)
The racing is so tight and bunched up, there will be some scrapes, especially if cars are three wide.. In the overhead view of Grat's video, it does look a bit strange how fast Phil comes down the inside when the road was chockers in front of him.
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Nice video Grat, that shows things so differnet from the above view and I needed to see it a few times to really get an idea of whats going on as its pretty hectic.
My analysis is initial contact was Phil into Freezer that got him a little loose only a slight bump that got Freezer wide. A big gap opened for grat in the middle 4 wide which when Freezer noticed Mael to his outside he moved right. However Grat was making a move and Phil was inside so Grat had to go right to avoid Freezer who likely had no Idea Phil was also there and they were 4 wide making Grat the meat in the sandwich.
Then into the hairpin Mael likely has no idea Phil is inside Grat and is only leaving room for Grat who then has to move right which squeezes Phil on the grass losing braking and causing a dive into the pack.
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Yes, Marty: that sums it up pretty well, I think. But the sole fact that it takes many lines to describe it also tells us that it is impossible to think we could avoid this kind of scrambles.
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I forgot my REPORT!
Report:
Commuting was pretty hectic last night. I had to stay in traffic for a long time, passed a few car crashes along the way, and my car... well, let's say the smash repairer has just bought tickets for a trip to the Seychelles.
That said, I managed to arrive in time at destination, and only Matthew was already there, while Marty and Jeremy parked their cars just close to mine. Others arrived later, but most of them seemed happy.
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i don't take it the wrong way, I know I am guilty of it also this season, its the nature of it i guess
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I think some moves are inherently risky. Most of the faster drivers pull off what I consider traditional passes on me where they either get me clean on entry or exit. However, occasionally it feels like you're treated like an AI driver and all you have to do is barge into half an opening. This is why I usually give lots of room because it's either move aside or risk closing the door on a move and getting pushed out. If you're on the inside chances are you'll not get the worst consequence.
Is it the pointy end of the season and therefore more risks are taken to get the extra points?
With the first video I feel sorry for Viper the most as he did leave plenty of room and came off badly. To me the track was narrowing at that point and 3 wide in? I don't know. Arguments could be made both ways. I do know that everyone behind would've eventually got me a few corners later.
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Then into the hairpin Mael likely has no idea Phil is inside Grat and is only leaving room for Grat
The Realtime app is handy for this sort of thing. If you only see one car just in front of you, but the Realtime app is listing one car 0.4 seconds ahead and another 0.5 seconds ahead, then you know there is another one that you can't see...
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Then into the hairpin Mael likely has no idea Phil is inside Grat and is only leaving room for Grat
The Realtime app is handy for this sort of thing. If you only see one car just in front of you, but the Realtime app is listing one car 0.4 seconds ahead and another 0.5 seconds ahead, then you know there is another one that you can't see...
Not to mention Helicorsa.
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Not too sure if I should be commenting here, although I am probably the driver who is most involved in "overtakes" :)
I try to drive it like I own it, rather than stolen it.
(I have made plenty of mistakes though.)
Sorry for problems, I too fall into the "pain/pain killer fades".
Learnt how to defend better on the next reverse grid, great discussions, thanks.
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Here is a full replay of race 3, I experimented with the action cam app but to me the resuts were a bit weird. It would just keep skippng through cars fairly quick as the racing is rather close through the field. Sometimes it would skip every few seconds and with the AC replay system as it is you dont even know whos car your in what lap or position its in so its fairly awkward.
In the end I just did my onboard and overhead with the tv cam being the static for the full race. This shows how close the pack actually is especially the first half of the lap it pretty much shows all cars. Also lap 1 it shows Bafs warping out a bit and this may also have been a contributing factor in the race 1 bingle as you can see his car act a bit weird as it slides. He must have given Bacchulum a fair fright there lap 1 as he went off the road only to re appear 1mm from his front bumper.
It was a fun race even though I needed at least 1 more lap to get a reasonable look at passing Grat, it was quite tough passing quite a few guys so I was surprised to end up so close on the last lap still.
https://youtu.be/1WtYYam2SAA
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Not too sure if I should be commenting here, although I am probably the driver who is most involved in "overtakes" :)
I try to drive it like I own it, rather than stolen it.
(I have made plenty of mistakes though.)
Sorry for problems, I too fall into the "pain/pain killer fades".
Learnt how to defend better on the next reverse grid, great discussions, thanks.
Bruce, you do fine mate. You were doing a great job in race one until the knucklehead following you made a terrible judgement error and destroyed your race. Sorry again. I wouldn't mind copping a penalty for that either Wally. I screwed Bruce's race.
Other than my race one case of Stupid, I had the best meet I've done since NkPro. Had some good racing with Dion, Stan and pretty much the whole group. It was a pleasure to race beside Marty, Dave into the last chicane. Given my lack of overall pace they showed great patience in passing.
Darren
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Not too sure if I should be commenting here, although I am probably the driver who is most involved in "overtakes" :)
I try to drive it like I own it, rather than stolen it.
(I have made plenty of mistakes though.)
Sorry for problems, I too fall into the "pain/pain killer fades".
Learnt how to defend better on the next reverse grid, great discussions, thanks.
Bruce youve always been a pleasure to pass. ;D You dont donate the position away which is great as unless your being lapped you dont have to and thats kind of the main point of this format.
We shouldnt expect people to act like they have blue flags and its up to the guys trying to pass to find a way to get by cleanly. There really isnt anyonenin the field I am too worried about running beside or close to, sure mistakes happen by everyone but there clearly isnt anyone Ive seen blatantly running people off the road.
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As I said earlier, fantastic discussion, a lot of learnings for me, the videos are fantastic, thanks Marty et el.
"Meticulous Marty", your lines are spot on, I have only watched one lap, so far, great, thanks.
Doobs, all okay, part of racing, my manager had no problems with the damage costs! :)
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Here is a full replay of race 3, I experimented with the action cam app but to me the resuts were a bit weird. It would just keep skippng through cars fairly quick as the racing is rather close through the field. Sometimes it would skip every few seconds and with the AC replay system as it is you dont even know whos car your in what lap or position its in so its fairly awkward.
God these races are good. I reckon they're some of the best we've ever hard, in terms of action. The reverse grid format probably only works so well here because the cars are so slow and predictable. Anything faster, and we'd be up for more carnage.
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Doobs, all okay, part of racing, my manager had no problems with the damage costs! :)
Thanks Bruce, but I still maintain it was a case of the Stupid. :)
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quote]God these races are good. I reckon they're some of the best we've ever hard, in terms of action. The reverse grid format probably only works so well here because the cars are so slow and predictable. Anything faster, and we'd be up for more carnage.
I think in general a car that desnt get too badly hurt with damage is a better option, but the racing in even very hard to drive cars like the 72d vs 312t has been great and srarting at the back is no different really. The proto and DTM cars I dont think youd really want any reverse grids in especially not putting the slow cars at the front but coukd donthe odd race reversing bith classes. Trickier cars its actually just a bit easier to pass as the slower guys are more likely to make mistakes where in these slower abs cars the driving isnt so hard but the racing is with way less regular mistakes by others making passing anyone quite a challenge.
Ive loved the reverse grid season but even many real race series have a revers grid race in a 3 race weekend. I think even GP2 had them last year and as long as drivers are aware of others and have reasonable control reverse grids can work in anything.
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Then into the hairpin Mael likely has no idea Phil is inside Grat and is only leaving room for Grat
The Realtime app is handy for this sort of thing. If you only see one car just in front of you, but the Realtime app is listing one car 0.4 seconds ahead and another 0.5 seconds ahead, then you know there is another one that you can't see...
Not to mention Helicorsa.
Of course!
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Was a really fun round for me a few rubs here and there but good fun especially race 1 was one of the best races i have done lol very rewarding !