[Wally]

RACE RESULTS
SEASON STANDINGS

Race 1 was just a bit unfortunate in T1, I think. Everyone was bunched up, everyone was really slow, if not stopped, but it just took the tiniest of hits to set of a bit of a bumper-to-bumper chain reaction. AC's exaggerated collision physics didn't help here. I don't think any penalties are warranted here.

Penalty to Grat (-8) for running into the back of Guybrush (+8), which then pushed Guybrush into the path of Phil.

On lap 2, after there was a big pile up at the last fast chicane, Jeremy was a bit careless with track re-entry. He had just been bashed around a bit and was nearly stopped on the side of the track, but rather than be aware of oncoming fast traffic, he deviated back into the racing line to get going again and hit me, sending me back to last. That was careless.

In race 2, Jeremy (-8 pts) didn't keep to his line on T1, moving across to the left, and hit Rolz (+8pts)

Round Points
 

	Qual	Race 1	Race 2	Total
Paul	12	63	75	150
Marty	15	75	53	143
Matthew111	8	53	45	106
Guybrush Threepwood	10	30	63	103
Phil.8	6	45	38	89
Freezer	4	38	30	72
Mael	3	24	27	54
Grat	5	15	24	44
Bacchulum	0	27	15	42
christopheraser	0	14	21	35
Jeremy	2	18	14	34
Rolz	1	21	11	33
Wally	0	9	18	27
Bafs17	0	11	6	17
Rob	0	6	9	15
Simone	0	12	3	15
AJ	0	1	12	13
Dave O	0	5	8	13
Doobs	0	8	5	13
Flattop	0	3	0	3
Ben	0	1	0	1
Gratulin	0	1	0	1

Congratulations to Paul on the round win, and Marty and Paul on the race wins.

Season Podium
1. Guybrush, 636
2. Marty, 525
3. Matthew111, 376

Achilles Heels are well in front in the team championship, with Krahl Racing now taking second place.

[Rolz]

Q1 - ok still was learning track

R1 - was happy to finish where I did

R2 - got spun around T1 to almost last, then next lap overcooked it hit wall was really last (sorry chris was in a daze), did 8 laps mangled... got to pits and then did a few screamer laps... got my PB so mixed emotions.

Summary just not a fan of Monza - T1 is a nightmare to me... just can't line it up racing or get taken out at start.

I'm out on holiday next week see you the week after.

[marty]

Qualy just snuck in a lap, I wasn't sure if it was enough as I only did 1 earlier flying lap and expected others to maybe put in a late burst.

Race 1 had a fairly poor start but Pauls wasnt much better, saw lots of carnage in the mirror so it was jus me and Paul battling all race. I got ahead and though he seemed quicker in some sections I was better into the key sections and so he didnt get quite into my draft. Last lap saw a warping car and so had to back off a little and Paul got right up my bumper into Parabolica but I just hung on to the line.

Race 2 had an ok start but Paul had a better one, he had me easily before t1 so I just tried to follow. He had some good pace early and GB was hanging on pretty close then GB had a big slide at Ascari. I tried to keep some pressure on Paul but he was slightly easing away a little gap. I then tried a different entry to Ascari and had a huge triple tank slapper ending up in the sand but not quite spun, I then lost position to both Phil and Guy. Guy passed phil in a nice move then I tried everything I could to pass Guy, I had a couple good chances but he out braked me each time I had a good look on the outside.

I then decided to pit earlier and maybe undercut GB, he pitted the next lap and we entered the first chicane side by side but he kept the position. Then he had some real good pace and pulled a little lead on me, Paul was still flying ahead and GB and I were putting down some consistent quick laps but Paul maintained his 5.5 to 6 second lead all race. I then got a little closer to Guy over the last few laps with a few looks but he defended well never really giving me a proper chance at making the pass. I got fairly close the last lap in some spots but not close enough.

Well done to Paul for the win in race 2 and a good drive for second in race 1. GB unlucky with the contact at the start of race 1 but he got heaps out of that Audi and kept me behind for most of the race even though I had the slightly quicker car. Should be some fun battles for the rest of the season with quite a few guys showing some good pace.

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Wally can you please take a look at T1, R1.  Do I get free points? 

[Rolz]

T1 R2 for me 

[Wally]

Wally can you please take a look at T1, R1.  Do I get free points? 

I examined it from every angle, but didn't award any penalties, as I explained above. But I didn't see you in much of the T1 action. Let me know if you think I've missed something, and I'll take another look.

T1 R2 for me 

Yep, done!

[AJ]

Q1 - ok still was learning track

R1 - was happy to finish where I did

R2 - got spun around T1 to almost last, then next lap overcooked it hit wall was really last (sorry chris was in a daze), did 8 laps mangled... got to pits and then did a few screamer laps... got my PB so mixed emotions.

Summary just not a fan of Monza - T1 is a nightmare to me... just can't line it up racing or get taken out at start.

I'm out on holiday next week see you the week after.

You were gaining on me at a rate of knots over the last couple of laps of R2 Rolz, I was getting nervous the whole time watching Realtime and then seeing you steam up into my mirrors. If we had one more lap you probably would have got me at the first chicane.

[Wally]

In race 1, I was behind Freezer who bogged down badly on the start line. Welcome to the Nissan But I kept behind him to T1 without incident, but there fell victim to the slomo domino effect, getting hit from behind and spinning off the track, losing a handful of spots. On lap 2, I was picking a line through the carnage of the Jeremy/Grat incident, when Jeremy clipped my car as he re-entered the track, sending me off again, now in last place. After my pit stop, I was almost catching up to the Bafs/Simone/Christopheraser/Grat pack, but I stupidly spun on T1 after braking too late and touching the kerb, dropping 8 seconds or so. From there, I managed to claw back a few positions, but ended up having a fairly lonely race to come home in 15th.

Race 2 was much better, with some good, very close racing with Jeremy and Bacchulum. I was hounding Jeremy until he ran wide at the last chicane, and from there it was a close battle with Bacchulum for the rest of the race, with us round about 1 second apart. Sorry about the T1 hit Bacchulum. I did shut the door there on you, unintentionally, when I lost sight of you. I should have left more racing room (well, as much as you can at T1).

[marty]

A few screens from the fun racings tonight.

Here is how close the finish was in race 1 with Paul and I.



This race I was hunted by Paul with our average gap of .73 for the race

Here is Me and Guybrush into the last turn of race 2, no contact somehow and we were this close on a few occasions during the race. 





This race I was the hunter with average gap to car ahead of 1.3 but GB was the hunted at .97 most likely due to pitting on different laps.

[marty]

Ive made a few short videos of t1 lap 1 of both races which shows all incidents fairly well from high above the track, I think GB was a bit hard done by in race 1 as he was clearly spun from behind and lost positions plus damage. The rest of that was more a chain reaction caused by that first collision as cars on the inside lane pretty much stopped and all piled into them.

Here is the start of race 1


Here is lap 2 of race 1 where all are fairly close but manage to avoid contact unlike the race start which was quite messy all through the pack.



Here is the start of race 2 where it got messy again in the middle of the pack though it doesnt look as clear cut as the race 1 collision. Looks as if Jeremy has left just enough space inside but Rolz car runs just a fraction wide of the apex and into his car causing a chain reaction, maybe you'd need to look at this closer but looks like there was just enough racing room but not much margin for error. The slightest understeer by the inside car looks to have caused the outside car to spin again causing a chain reaction behind.

[Wally]

That's a very good view of the race 1 start. It looks like Grat got into the back of Guybrush initially, resulting in Guybrush going a bit off line and being hit by Phil. I'd like to take a look at ground level too, but it looks like Grat should get a penalty there and Guybrush some points.

Do you start with the static cam and then move the free-look camera up from there?

In race 2, you can see that Jeremy got on the racing line too soon instead of staying on his side of the track, hitting Rolz.

I think in any future Monza races, we'd be best off trying a rolling start, with us single-filing through the initial turn 1 on the rolling lap, nice and spread out.

Edit: I've given a penalty to Grat for race 1. Guybrush's overall standing points don't change, because even with the bonus, this was his worst, dropped round.

[Gratulin]

Problem with rolling, single file starts is that the back of the field lose too much time to the front of the field.

Also, on T1 penalties. If one rear end is penalised then all should be.

[Rolz]

Thanks for those videos Marty - I'll just put down my spin to the normal crap that happens on T1 at Monza

I don't think rolling start would work here - issue would still be the same of crazy bunching up at T1

[grat]

Jeremy was a bit careless with track re-entry. He had just been bashed around a bit

Interesting way of putting it...

I had to wait for the whole field to rejoin safely---am I the only one applying the redress and safe rejoin rules (see also Ascari L1, R2)?

Grat got into the back of Guybrush initially, resulting in Guybrush going a bit off line and being hit by Phil.

Honestly I don't know if I really changed GB's line. But fair enough: I take the penalty, if this is the decision.

Instead, I wish to apologize to Bacchulum for the contact in race 2 at La Roggia: I lost the rear a bit getting out of the chicane and swerved to the left (where your front end was). Sorry.

As for the races: again I qualified not bad at all, but race 1 was a bit crap because of the above mentioned lap-2 accident. But then it was fun to duel with Christopher (nice race, mate) and Simone in the closing laps. Race 2 was real fun: good racing with Mael the whole time. I thought I could undercut him, but he tried the same with Freezer (we both failed). Around lap 13 and 14 I tried to pressure him really hard, but his Nissan was great coming out of corners and after two or three serious attempts, I gave up. Great race, Mael!

I just hope Nurburgring will be a cleaner race, although I have bad memories about the Mercedes Arena in the pack...

[Wally]

Gratulin, I only penalise carelessness, and the initial accident that may cause a chain reaction, and I only look at turns 1 and 2. Remember, if you want other incidents looked at with the view of possible penalties, send me a PM stating lap number and cars involved.

Like I said earlier, if cars are crawling along, almost stationary, and there is a rear hit, I don't regard that as a careless mistake compared to a higher speed/late braking rear-ender. It's more of an incident.

Grat, yes, it looked to me while watching the replay that your hit on GB pushed him off line into Phil.

Re rolling starts, good point that in a large field, it can disadvantage those at the rear. But perhaps that's preferable to carnage that affects those at the rear more often than not, maybe even race-wrecking damage. In a rolling start situation, doing 80 on approach to T1 instead of 200, we're much more likely to make it through unscathed. Perhaps the rolling start could only be up to the first chicane i.e. when you're safely through the chicane, you can go.