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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: grat on November 08, 2016, 09:36:17 PM
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Sorry guys: horrible night. It started ok. It was fun to battle with Phil and Marty, although after the 3rd or 4th contact I decided to give up defending my position and see if I could win it on pace. Unfortunately it got very hot in my room and my brain was not working right anymore, so I had a small spin which costed me some 6 seconds. But 2nd place was still more than feasible, and perhaps even 1st, if Marty had not too much fuel with him...
Unfortunately when I went to pit the first time I could not get into pit as it was so soon after the entrance that my car was not straight enough to be recognized as in place. It took me a while to realize and so I lost another 10 seconds with that. I then lost control completely, forgot to push F10 and when I stop the second time, I both lost seconds trying to reverse into my pit box AND I refuelled again, which in any case would have been forbidden. So I thought I could remedy by reversing my fuel and change tyres by hitting "ESC", but I forgot the stupid pit box penalty Kunos added (I find that thing the worst thing ever happened to this game) and at that point the total sum of my misfortunes was more than 2 minutes and, frankly, I was just too sad.
Really sad: it was a great chance for me to win a race or at least score important points. As I will have to miss the last race for sure, I guess at this point also my chances for a season podium are gone... :(
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Dont worry Grat I messed up also and accidentally took fuel again on my second stop and then had a full tank and had to stop a third time for fresh tyers
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Bad luck Grat was a fun battle early, I think you had more fuel then me so would have gained a few seconds on the fuel stop I still needed 60 litres on the stop. I saw you drive into my box so noticed you were long, also Phil had some trouble in the pits and at that point I thought I could cruise along for a relatively easy win.
After my second stopped I had freezer side by side into t1 I think or I popped out just behind along with one more car up there which I cant remember who it was. This was about lap 16 and the other car stopped and I thought I would just hang on to Freezer and wait for him to stop as he had some good pace and I was having enough trouble hanging on let alone trying to make an easy pass.
It looked like he was set for a battle as he passed me back after I got him and that point I figured hes done me on pit strategy as I remember he pitted in pretty early while only a few seconds off the lead pack. The last 8 or so laps were good fun with some real close racing and lots of passes with I think no contact between us, even the first stint with Phil and Grat I dont recall any contact with only one small rub with Russ mid race door to door on the 3rd last corner.
Overall the most racing Ive had all season with probably 10 or more passes to gain position while also being passed many times by Grat, Freezer and Phil. I really struggled for ultimate lap pace here and quite a few others stepped up a bit so it was quite a good win in the end and congrats to Freezer for putting up a real good fight all the way to the end. I think Hylas came in for 3rd so a good effort there too.
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RACE RESULTS AND CHARTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2016/11/s14r5-maserati-gt4-at-paul-ricard.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2016/10/season-14-standings_11.html)
SEASON STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit#gid=300873498)
ALL TIME STATS (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nu52lWM6_TIRBEGCTF32BxLe8mobfsCFpd_wOeuxpXI/edit#gid=8)
Penalties
None.
Joe and Hornbag got a 10 second penalty for cutting on their qualifying laps. To explain how that works: Joe's cut lap was 2:09.123, which saw him qualify 11th. His best qual lap without a cut was 2:09.699, wich would have put him in 12th. Because he gained a qual position advantage, he got a 10 second post-race penalty.
Round Points
Marty 78
Freezer 70
hylas 62
Mael 54
RussG 48
Phil.8 42
Wally 36
Joe 30
Simone 26
Bacchulum 22
Keith 18
Bafs17 14
Rob 11
nith 9
AJ 7
Doobs 5
stevenngo 4
Vipergod 3
Dave O 2
Grat 1
Hornbag 1
Congratulations to Grat on pole and to Marty on the race and round wins.
Honourable mentions go to Simone, who had the most consistent lap times and also saw most action being the hunter and also the busiest.
Season Podium
1. Marty, 277 points (up from 3rd)
2. Grat, 256
3. Guybrush, 234 (down from 1st)
Freezer was the big mover on the season table, jumping 5 places up to 9th.
Team Standings
Achilles Heels (Guybrush and Marty) stretch their lead over DA Racing (Grat and Wally), 511 points to 395.
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I had a reasonable start, chugging along around Simone and Joe in about 7th and 8th. I had a full load of fuel at the start, so I got passed a bit on the straight. On lap 10, I saw Simone pit just in front of me, so I made a last second decision to pit with him to avoid the undercut. Only problem was Russ was right behind me, and I didn't react fast enough to say I was pitting, so he accidentally bumped me as I braked to turn into the pit entrance, which saw me skid nose first into the barrier beside the pit entrance, damaging my front splitter a bit and having to reverse. I think that cost me some top end speed, because I never saw the 2:08's again that I knew I was capable of in the practice session. My own fault for the last second dive into pits. Without that, I would have finished 2nd for sure.
I pitted on lap 19 for minimal fuel, but I still remained in around 7th or 8th position till the end of race. I knew Joe had a 10 second penalty for track cutting, so I was trying to keep within 10 seconds of him, but he pulled away on newer tyres. Phil also caught me on the last lap with fresher tyres.
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Bad luck Grat was a fun battle early, I think you had more fuel then me so would have gained a few seconds on the fuel stop I still needed 60 litres on the stop. I saw you drive into my box so noticed you were long, also Phil had some trouble in the pits and at that point I thought I could cruise along for a relatively easy win.
After my second stopped I had freezer side by side into t1 I think or I popped out just behind along with one more car up there which I cant remember who it was. This was about lap 16 and the other car stopped and I thought I would just hang on to Freezer and wait for him to stop as he had some good pace and I was having enough trouble hanging on let alone trying to make an easy pass.
It looked like he was set for a battle as he passed me back after I got him and that point I figured hes done me on pit strategy as I remember he pitted in pretty early while only a few seconds off the lead pack. The last 8 or so laps were good fun with some real close racing and lots of passes with I think no contact between us, even the first stint with Phil and Grat I dont recall any contact with only one small rub with Russ mid race door to door on the 3rd last corner.
Overall the most racing Ive had all season with probably 10 or more passes to gain position while also being passed many times by Grat, Freezer and Phil. I really struggled for ultimate lap pace here and quite a few others stepped up a bit so it was quite a good win in the end and congrats to Freezer for putting up a real good fight all the way to the end. I think Hylas came in for 3rd so a good effort there too.
I started with 110l and pitted for 30. If you needed 60, I would have only gained 5 or 6 seconds, so you would have been still 2 seconds ahead of me, thanks to my spin (I was just 2 seconds behind before it, but 8.somthing after it). It would have been perhaps a tight battle... but it did not go that way :(
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Joe and Hornbag got a 10 second penalty for cutting on their qualifying laps.
Ah man! That puts a massive downer on what was a great race. I bailed out 3 low 08s which would have put me top 5ish as I noticed the cut, and didn't notice it on that one; I definitely would have slowed if I did. Would have been better off keeping the faster ones :(
Was a fun race though, got Wally at the end of the straight on the opening lap due to his heavier fuel load. A few laps later I went around the outside of someone who went sideways on the hairpin before the straight, which was a mistake as I couldn't take the fastest line and Wally came up in the inside to the take the spot back. I then couldn't get past for quite a while and with my low fuel load it was really hurting my times. I was so close at time I'm not sure how we didn't touch, and eventually I got a draft right at the start of the straight and went past.
I pitted after lap 11 for fuel, which undercut a few people including Simone! I came out into relatively clean air and can't even remember that stint. I think I just kept it clean enough and then came in for tyres at the end of lap 16 as I could feel they were going off.
A few laps later Wally came out of the pits just behind me, and I had already got a 10 second cut penalty so I made it my mission to get 10 seconds ahead of him (not that it mattered now...) I was making good pace slowly closing the gap on Mael, but then every time I got to a back marker the gap would increase a little. I think I got it from 8.5 to 5 seconds, and I was well clear of Wally and Russ running > 10 seconds behind.
Was really happy with 11th to 5th, but looks like that's bumped down to 8th due to two 10 second penalties. Still a lot of fun.
EDIT: Out of interest does PLP use the same rules as the AC cuts? In practice I found PLP would register a cut quite often when the game did not, but I thought they always used to be inline.
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EDIT: Out of interest does PLP use the same rules as the AC cuts? In practice I found PLP would register a cut quite often when the game did not, but I thought they always used to be inline.
No, they are not exactly the same. PLP is quite more restrictive when we have asphalt runoffs, but it forgives you a bit more if you actually slow down while outside the line.
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EDIT: Out of interest does PLP use the same rules as the AC cuts? In practice I found PLP would register a cut quite often when the game did not, but I thought they always used to be inline.
No, they are not exactly the same. PLP is quite more restrictive when we have asphalt runoffs, but it forgives you a bit more if you actually slow down while outside the line.
I knew it was based on speed you go off and back on but thought track limits were the same
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The track limits are the same as the RSR rank app - the best that it's possible for an app to detect, which is not 100% the same as what AC penalises. Both PLP and RSR have access to the "number of wheels not on a valid track surface", as well as the dirt level of the tyres (when a tyre is dirty, it is deemed to be off track). Where it gets funky is each individual track can arbitrarily assign different surfaces (e.g. kerbs, concrete, astroturf) to be either valid track or not. Whatever detection AC uses internally, it doesn't make it available to an app.
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Well one of my best results for quite a while. My season started off crap but has dramatically changed.
Qualified 4th and got away cleanly following Marty and Co about a second in front. My strategy was full tank start with a 22 litre stop any time after lap 4 to get me home. As it turned out I was catching the front guys a bit so bailed out of lap 5 for fuel.
Thought I would come out in clean air given the early stop and the field going by but came out of the pits in 15th.
From there I just focused on doing clean quick laps and not getting held up. I was able to hold 2.08s through this part of the race so all was good.
At the end of lap 14 I jumped in for tyres and then after a few laps found myself in P1 :) :) Haven't been there for a long time!
Marty was behind and with 9 laps to go I was going to put up a fight. Our pace seemed pretty close with just the back straight draft to be concerned with. And draft Marty did. Eventually getting by but I fought back past and held on for a few more laps until the second last lap he was by and I couldn't chase him down on the last lap.
So, great second place for me. Excellent clean racing with Marty. Good night all round.
Big wrap for Maki Engineering . . making its way back toward the teams podium.....
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With track limits its best to use PLP in practice to get your lines as in the practice server even when set to 2 tyres while plp is 3 tyres allowed out its a bit stricter as it normally marks astro turf as non valid track. I have no idea why AC has curbs and astro as valid track on most tracks which makes it a bit harder to get the lines.
Overall if you try to keep 1 tyre inside the white line at all times you should never have issues but clearly this is a disadvantage at times as many sections you can go well off track and stay PLP valid. However if the track limits were set properly with only the race track being valid track I think many would struggle more but overall people would adjust or keep getting penalties.
The tricky thing is for ultimate pace you could gain a fair bit of time pushing the limits but with PLP it was a bit less forgiving which is why I think most were considerably slower race pace then qualy server pace as they were trying to avoid the 3 cuts. ;)
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I was using plp but was just curious. Will be moving it to my central monitor after tonight so i dont miss the cuts ;D
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I was using plp but was just curious. Will be moving it to my central monitor after tonight so i dont miss the cuts ;D
The app stays not visible until you actually cut so I just keep it mid center screen so I can always see track limits fairly easily. It also has the little red Icon that pops up when you go off track and at that point you can see if you will get a cut for re entering track before backing off to make it green. This means in race if your on your last cut you can avoid the 10 second penalty after a big error but at a chicane for example over doing the limit its always a risk on the line you choose.
Paul Ricard same as Misano in the real Blancpain series track limits are massively abused, I know this year they have tried to crack down on it but especially at the end of the back straight that first right hand exit the lines allowed are way beyond anything we were doing there.
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so I run 27 laps and get the same amount of points as someone who left the race?
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so I run 27 laps and get the same amount of points as someone who left the race?
I think I got a point for the pole...
to be completely honest, you only run 26 laps, though ;)
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so I run 27 laps and get the same amount of points as someone who left the race?
The point was for pole position. ;)
Had Grat stayed in the race he would likely still be leading the championship as I am only 21 points ahead so a mid field finish would have been close to that.
So I thought I could remedy by reversing my fuel and change tyres by hitting "ESC", but I forgot the stupid pit box penalty Kunos added (I find that thing the worst thing ever happened to this game) and at that point the total sum of my misfortunes was more than 2 minutes and, frankly, I was just too sad.
That time penalty for escaping is to stop people from getting an advantage in pits by pressing escape and doing repairs, adding fuel and changing tyres instantly by escaping them resuming. In your case youn would also have lost a lap as you hadnt crossed the line at your box. In a practoce race its more annoying for those that are still making changes but then thats why the prac server also has a 60 min practice session.
In the past someone could have just crossed the line pressed escape and got going again without needing a pit stop. I think this penalty is actually a good thing and would prefer an option to not resume after escaping by server setting. In our case however the way it is disables this and even though I know people wouldnt exploit that for an advantage it could be done by accident. In your case had your pit box been across the line and there was no time penalty. Even over driving the pit box reversing back and messing up it would likely have been much quicker then a normal tyre stop and been a big net gain even though you would have done it to try avoid making an error adding fuel on the tyre stop not to try and get a gain.
Its a shame though as you had proper pace here and without Guybrush on pace alone you would have won fairly easily. I dont even know if the heavy start strategy was a huge help from pole for you. Being fueled for half race you likely would have got .5 per lap on Phil and me, wouldnt have been attacked so much early and by lap 15 likely had a 7 second lead.
Thats where strategy makes it interesting, Freezer did well with his stratetgy but on pure pace he was pretty equal to me. Before his 1st stop he was only a second or so behind me on lap 5. Then he was just ahead of me before his second stop and after my second stop we were again very close.
I think from pole risking being a bit slow at the front by being very heavy puts the car more at risk for overall not much gain. If the heavy car can maintain the lead then it would be a huge gain but at this track especially being heavy was going to make you a bit of a sitting duck.
As I was slower I considered that option from 4th but thought I would have lost too much time especially if you hadnt run very heavy. Hoping I may be able to take the lead in the first stint and put some pressure on you guys to possibly force an error was really my only hope. I was quite lucky to get the lead off Freezer too as he was driving very well but I didnt want to finish second at that point so put in the full attack and luckily had the lead at the line.
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Had Grat stayed in the race he would likely still be leading the championship as I am only 21 points ahead so a mid field finish would have been close to that.
Not correct: the worst round is not counted anyway, so whether I got 1 point or 25 in this round does not matter as my worst counted round is now Monza, where I got 5th, I think. The real problem is that I will miss the last race for sure, so my worst counted round in the end will be this 1 point. Had I tried to rejoin after the whole mess, maybe I could have got some positions back, but really just 1 or 2, if you look at the results table... I could have got, I don't know, maybe 18th.. I doubt those 2 points more would have made much of a difference though.
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It depends how big the mess was but Phil finished 6th with 3 stops and I think 2 tyre stops, once you pressed escape though you were fairly stuffed at a lap down plus whatever time it would have taken. Probably only lost a couple extra points.
Im far from quick in this car however and once Guybrush is back best I can do is second, with Matthew and Jeremy back also then its quite a battle for second with about 6-8 of us fairly even now making losing points pretty easy for me. ;)
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I think this penalty is actually a good thing and would prefer an option to not resume after escaping by server setting.
I agree with this. Kinda takes away from the realism if you can just teleport back to the pits. The only time I could see it necessary is on dodgy mod tracks where you can actually get the car stuck.
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so I run 27 laps and get the same amount of points as someone who left the race?
I think I got a point for the pole...
to be completely honest, you only run 26 laps, though ;)
To be completely honest you were awarded points for having a tantrum and leaving the race before its completion
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its on, lol I do feel Horbags pain, he makes alot of effort to keep out of the way , taking cuts and penalty's, but sticks it out, i am proud of my little bag or horns :)
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Yeah good stuff Hornbag. When I started with XGN I was the same; rather that looking for what position I'd come (because I'd always be last), my goal was to be lapped by the fewest number of people ;D
I also don't get the rage quitters, some people just wanna be in the top few positions or not race at all. I've had plenty of races right a the back due to spins; I just enjoy the game.
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DA racing is getting catty in Kunos land. ;D
Grat vs Hornbag
its on
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Wally vs Simone, still just posturing. ;)
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Lol Marty.
Grat got his solitary point fair and square, by getting pole position in qualifying. He got 0 for the race. There's nothing unfair there.
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A race that went above expectations.
Did a number of laps in training and knew mid 8's was about the best I could do. The qualifying went well beating Wally but unfortunately played it a bit safe through T1. By the time I cleared Joe and co the leading bunch made a dash never to be seen again.
Kept making errors and earning 2 cuts in the first stint ensuring I came out behind Joe after my first stop mid race. Immediately stopped again for fuel hoping to undercut Joe. From there ran consistent mid 8' to the end of race with the only real action being lapping a number of cars. Finished a solid 4th. Was following Freezer on Ptracker, kept hoping Marty would make an error! Great driver Freezer!
A shout out here for the guys at the back. Please do not go off-track when being lapped (Hornbag ;D), tail-enders are as much a part of the race as the leaders and if Marty & GB loses a bit of time passing you then so be it.
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Yes, that was a great drive by Freezer.
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A shout out here for the guys at the back. Please do not go off-track when being lapped (Hornbag ;D), tail-enders are as much a part of the race as the leaders and if Marty & GB loses a bit of time passing you then so be it.
Yes there is no reason to go off track, you can just run your normal line also no need to back off too much costing yourself too much time. Simply keep an eye on the mirrors and if a car is lapping they will make their way past. Just dont block or defend the spot, if a car is alongside simply leave the inside line to them and maybe back off a touch more on entry. Same if they are on the putside and lapping just dont defend the spot under blue flags.
A car lapping should make it fairly clear which way they will make the move and shoud not be throwing in a surprise dive bomb on you. Even with blue flags its the lapping cars that need to make the clean pass and if they catch a car at the wrong part of the track then they may lose some time. Thats part of racing but cars slowing too much and running off track actually makes it harder as you dont know what they are going to do.
In a battle coming up to some lapped traffic spices things up a bit. Sometimes you get an assist sometimes you lose out its part of racing though and as long as lapped cars arent blocking or driving people of the road they have every right to the racing line.
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Oh, come on guys! I race every single week, I rarely come up on the podium-like position (though this season seems to be an happy exception) and I have a huge record of races in which I ended up last and kept going doing hotlaps until the very end. And I had my seasons when I had to fight a lot to get close to the top 10.
I frankly am not sure why some of you wishes to attack me on this. I had a very bad night and from pole I ended up last and stuck in the pit for another minute at least. Yes, I was disappointed. Sorry. The rules somehow give a point for pole. If Bernie Hornbag wants to remind me the rules of the concorde agreement, ok: I'll take the blame and I am happy to get a zero instead of a 1.
Sorry I left the race. It was not meant to be disrespectful to anybody. But when you say that "to be completely honest" I got the point for leaving, as opposed to get it for getting a decent lap in quali, I feel that perhaps there is a broader issue that you might have with me. I hope it's not true and that I did not do anything that harmed you. But if I did, I'd like to know.
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Guys, before my previous post might send the wrong message:
If you are just laughing at me, I am actually happy, as it shows I am part of the community :)
I just got for a moment the thought that maybe there were untold hostilities---perhaps something I said or done in past races. Of course it must have been my paranoia.
See you on track!
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Wally vs Simone, still just posturing. ;)
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So who's the cat leading with the sphincter, Wally or Simone? ??? :-X
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Wally vs Simone, still just posturing. ;)
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So who's the cat leading with the sphincter, Wally or Simone? ??? :-X
That's me, cos it's just pure arse that I keep finishing in front of Simone.
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LOL ;D ;D 8)
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Guys, before my previous post might send the wrong message:
If you are just laughing at me, I am actually happy, as it shows I am part of the community :)
I just got for a moment the thought that maybe there were untold hostilities---perhaps something I said or done in past races. Of course it must have been my paranoia.
See you on track!
I dont think anyone has any hostilities, you likely had no hope after pressung escape anyway being a lap down plus 50 seconds. I can see how you felt not good at the time as you had a great chance for a good finish and things got bad pretty quickly and snowballed from there.
Been great fun having some good solid battles and I was more lucky then anything to get a win when I was I think 5th fastest on the prac server with most laps. ;D
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Sorry Grat I was just being light hearted :)
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Well I must say that I was pretty chuffed to qualify in 6th for this race with far better time than I did in practise ;D
The start was OK staying in line with those in front. I started with a full tank so the car was heavy.
Mael got a good run on me out of the last turn on lap 5 and although I tried to fight in the first chicane, he got the job done and took the place. On the same lap I had a slight power oversteer at the tight right hander before the back straight which allowed Simone to get alongside and around the outside of the next right hander. I thought I would be able to slip back in behind and get the slipstream and pass him again before the end of the straight, but then realised that Joe had come through behind and blocked me from moving back into the slipstream, then along the straight found that Wally had got the best run of all and passed both Joe and myself (3 places from one minor slip ... grrr).
I then followed Wally and Joe fighting each other until Joe made his move stick on lap 9, then while following Wally out of the last turn, he braked unexpectedly to jump into the pits and I rammed him up the clacker damaging my splitter and allowing Bacchulum to pass.
Pitted at the end of lap 14 for tyres, came out with some clear track, but right behind me were Freezer and Marty ... eeekk ...
I tried to keep them behind but they both got past on lap 17 (a VERY slight touch with Marty as I wasn't keen to give it up too easily). Pitted at the end of lap 22 and added 30L of fuel to get to the end.
Rejoined in front of Wally :) From then on I just kept it clean until the end although I was struggling with grip which I put down to the damaged splitter. I figure that Wally had similar damage from the earlier incident as he wasn't gaining on me.
Was extremely happy with a 6th place finish which later became a 5th place after Joe's penalty was applied.
Great racing all :)