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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on November 17, 2015, 10:19:35 PM
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RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2015/11/s9r6-formula-renault-at-monza.html)
SEASON STANDINGS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2015/10/season-9-standings.html)
Penalties
Race 1: Freezer (-4) for narrowly running into the back of Will (+4). The rest was a chain reaction.
Race 2: Grubbet (-8) for running into the rear/side of Grat (+8) and knocking Phil.8 off-track (+8).
Round Points
StanDaam 75.5
Will 73
Jeremy 68.5
Matthew111 62.5
Bacchulum 59.5
Guybrush Threepwood 58.5
Wally 54.5
Grat 50.5
Phil.8 50.5
Freezer 48.5
Gratulin 47
Rolz 40.5
Chap111 40
Simone 40
Grubbet 39
Mael 35.5
Schmittez 15
Marty 9
christopheraser 6
Congratulations to StanDaam on the round win, and StanDaam and Bacchulum on the race wins.
Season Podium
With EdWood missing Monza, Bacchulum takes the lead narrowly from StanDaam, with Jeremy right up there as well in 3rd.
1. Bacchulum, 297
2. StanDaam, 295.5
3. Jeremy, 295
Struggle Street Racing Crew regain the team's lead from Achilles Heels by just 1 point, with Caterpillar Racing very close behind in 3rd.
Ballast Changes
Average: 1:39.159
P1: StanDaam (1:37.607, 1.552): 59 -> 97
P2: Jeremy (1:37.979, 1.180): 109 -> 138
P3: Chap111 (1:39.442, -0.283): 2 -> 0
P4: Will (1:38.002, 1.157): 70 -> 98
P5: Simone (1:39.080, 0.079): 22 -> 24
P6: Gratulin (1:40.242, -1.083): 17 -> 0
P7: Freezer (1:38.566, 0.593): 58 -> 72
P8: Matthew111 (1:39.026, 0.133): 150 -> 153
P9: Guybrush Threepwood (1:38.423, 0.736): 172 -> 190
P10: Schmittez (1:40.623, -1.464): 20 -> 0
P11: Grat (1:39.772, -0.613): 113 -> 98
P12: Mael (1:40.682, -1.523): 59 -> 23
P13: Wally (1:39.919, -0.760): 31 -> 13
P14: Grubbet (1:39.159, 0.000): 0 -> 0
P15: Rolz (1:39.348, -0.189): 101 -> 96
P16: Bacchulum (1:38.899, 0.260): 51 -> 57
P17: Phil.8 (1:38.485, 0.674): 93 -> 109
P18: Marty (1:39.243, -0.084): 125 -> 123
P19: christopheraser (1:41.034, -1.875): 20 -> 20
Average: 1:39.357
P1: Bacchulum (1:39.055, 0.302): 57 -> 64
P2: StanDaam (1:38.710, 0.647): 97 -> 113
P3: Will (1:38.723, 0.634): 98 -> 113
P4: Wally (1:39.357, 0.000): 13 -> 13
P5: Jeremy (1:39.198, 0.159): 138 -> 142
P6: Matthew111 (1:39.417, -0.060): 153 -> 152
P7: Grubbet (1:39.909, -0.552): 0 -> 0
P8: Guybrush Threepwood (1:39.706, -0.349): 190 -> 182
P9: Freezer (1:39.030, 0.327): 72 -> 80
P10: Phil.8 (1:39.408, -0.051): 109 -> 108
P11: Gratulin (1:40.811, -1.454): 0 -> 0
P12: Rolz (1:39.356, 0.001): 96 -> 96
P13: Grat (1:39.706, -0.349): 98 -> 90
P14: Mael (1:40.600, -1.243): 23 -> 0
P15: Simone (1:39.254, 0.103): 24 -> 26
P16: Chap111 (1:38.792, 0.565): 0 -> 0
P17: Marty (2:35.138, -55.781): 123 -> 123
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Breaking with the tradition, I post my race report tonight as opposed to tomorrow morning---even before results are up.
PRE-RACE: I am heavy. Very heavy. And my weakest spot of all is tight, slow chicanes. Not many hopes.
RACE 1: after an anonymous quali, I start somewhere like 14th. Decent start, but then I get into the traffic jam at t1. I try to stay out of trouble by parking my car on the exit of the second turn waiting for the guys ahead of me to disentangle one from another. But Gratulin and Christopher behind me were a bit more in a rush, so I manage to get damage despite not moving. I have to say: more than anything else, this seems to be a bit of a problem with AC damage. How come I get touched lightly at 3km/h from behind and my rear wing is horribly damaged for the rest of the race? A puncture could be,... but the wing?
Anyway: I manage to restart and get into a decent 6th position (or 7th?). I reach GB ahead of me and I have a decent chance at passing him and the guy ahead of him, but he spins and I can't avoid him. Now I have both wings damaged. I spend the remaining 5 laps defending my position. I almost manage, but then on the last lap we touch and that's about it.
RACE 2: the start is basically identical to race 1. But this time I touch with Grubbet (I think: sorry if it is not you) while moving. The result is the same though: aero damage. I fight for position with him for 4 or 5 laps, including a three way braking for t1 with GB. But my damage is pretty big and I eventually have to concede the position. I go for repairs at the end of lap 7, but when I get out I am basically last...
SEASON: this was my last race of the season. In general, I was very pleased with my times. I made many mistakes (one of which costed the race to a few of you at Mugello---sorry!) but I had a good pace in most races. This was my first experience with open wheelers, so I am quite happy. On the other hand, between a 100kg+ car in most races and me still having to learn how to deal with traffic the right way, I basically got to results. All in all, I have learned a lot about driving and racing, which is what matters the most.
Thank you, Wally, for the great organization once again! See you in January.
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In race 1, I didn't come out of the T1 mishap too badly - just lost a little time, but took no damage after only some minor collisions. But then in the 2nd chicane, a freak accident - Marty's PC crashed and launched his car driving the wrong way straight down the track, torpedoing my car! I had a mass of damage giving me understeer and leaving me capable of no better than a 1:44.2. I trundled around, getting picked off here and there, and finished 13th, annoyed at another race with damage.
Race 2 was much better. I took it carefully, avoided any accidents, and settled into a rhythm chasing the much heaver Matthew. I eventually passed him after he ran a tiny bit wide. From there, the rest of the race was pretty much sandwiched between Simone and Jeremy. I couldn't really gain on Simone, but Jeremy was constantly pressuring me from behind, so I knew I couldn't make any mistakes. I had a few narrow misses as kerbs kicked my car a bit, but held it together.
On lap 15, I passed Simone who had a big accident with Freezer between the two lesmos, and was still holding Jeremy off, who would get close but then fall back on the straights, weighed down with his ballast. I was mostly just focussing on keeping enough of a gap to him so he couldn't get a good tow, as we were doing nearly identical lap times, but with the ballast, we had speed at different parts of the track. After 5 previous races of pretty average results, I was pleased to finish 4th, my best result.
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Qualified 6th and got a clean jump and then T1 happened. I actually had about 5 contacts but got going again without any obvious damage. Got going but as we ran down to the next chicane I was coming alongside Simone when he moved over a bit squeezing me to the grass, more contact and we spun. From there (in 15th) I was able to chase down a few people and haul myself back up into 7th.
R2 qualy saw me with a bit of extra weight but the car was still pretty good and a started in 4th. Managed to grab two spot on the first lap and was now in 2nd and doing consistent laps. Gratulin managed to get by after a few laps. Gratulin and Stan pitted two laps earlier so I pushed hard but on the last lap realised I would be line ball on fuel so had to short shift a bit and loose some time. Car ran out of fuel as I rolled into pit lane!
Back out in third but now with Will within a second. We pushed hard for a number of laps and were pretty even on speed. Eventually Will got a run out of the second chicane, I tried to hang wide as we went through Lesmo 1 but there was a slight touch of wheels and I went around. (my fault) and then I got clobbered by someone (Simone - Sry couldn't get out of the way quick enough) coming through at speed. Spent the last 4 laps driving a very wobbly car to come home 9th.
Bit of a good result gone begging but good racing anyway.
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SEASON: this was my last race of the season. In general, I was very pleased with my times. I made many mistakes (one of which costed the race to a few of you at Mugello---sorry!) but I had a good pace in most races. This was my first experience with open wheelers, so I am quite happy. On the other hand, between a 100kg+ car in most races and me still having to learn how to deal with traffic the right way, I basically got to results. All in all, I have learned a lot about driving and racing, which is what matters the most.
Well done Grat, you did really well. You had a lot of skill and speed to earn all that ballast! Wear it with pride :)
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Funny to see me being the only car in race 1 with no contact, I did get through all the carnage at t1 then also avoided a spinning freezer mid track before the second chicane. My Pc then crashed and luckily seems my car didn't end up mid track and collected by all others, as I needed to force close AC to get out. It happened again in qualy 2 just after crossing the line on my outlap so I figured best to stay away and avoid causing others issues if it happens again in the race.
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Funny to see me being the only car in race 1 with no contact, I did get through all the carnage at t1 then also avoided a spinning freezer mid track before the second chicane. My Pc then crashed and luckily seems my car didn't end up mid track and collected by all others, as I needed to force close AC to get out. It happened again in qualy 2 just after crossing the line on my outlap so I figured best to stay away and avoid causing others issues if it happens again in the race.
Your car torpedoed straight into me going the wrong way down the track! It looked kinda funny in the replay - not so funny at the time :)
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Interesting that in the results it didn't count as a contact, if you have a replay file id like to see what happened there to the car. I lost the image braking into the second chicane so not sure how it ended up going the wrong direction.
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Must be a mistake me as round winner, I more likely came last this round
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Seeing as no-one has mentioned it I'm thinking it just me, but...
I got 27.5 points this round for finishing P4 and then P3, plus 4 points re. collision when in Spa I got 50 points after finishing in P8 and P10 and no collision points given.
Likewise others up top for round points seem to have earned more than possible eg. Rolz on 71 points this round for finishing P15 and P12.
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Fixed! There was an error in the spreadsheet for this round. It only affected the round points in this post - the standing are still correct.
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Interesting that in the results it didn't count as a contact, if you have a replay file id like to see what happened there to the car. I lost the image braking into the second chicane so not sure how it ended up going the wrong direction.
I'll tell you what happened. Your car was off the track to the right of the second chicane, just sitting there, facing away from the traffic. Then it turned around, and shot back into the traffic in a straight line until it hit my car, then it snapped back to where it had been parked off the track. Just a bad disconnect packet-loss confusion.
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Once again both races I sustained damage from people running into me and from then on it was a bit of a struggle.
Race 1 someone collected Jeremy right in front of me which left me stranded and the rest of the field running into me. The car was pretty much uncontrollable and I had a spin or two trying to get around, which unfortunately on one of them Grat collected me so apologies Grat.
Race 2 I was all but beside someone on lap 1 going into the first Lesmo when they broke over to my line and hit me off the track causing me damage that was difficult to control. I caught up to Matthew and had a good battle but when I followed him into the pits I thought I was going to run into the back of him so tried to swerve but the wheels locked up and sent me into the wall. Totally my fault that one as I just expected him to drive flat out in which you can do here.
Either way I think the last race where I haven't had someone run into me was Zandvoort. I'm not sure if it's because I'm back in the pack but it just seems like the driving standards are the worst they've ever been with people cutting others off running into the back of others, running people out of track and just foolish moves in general.
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I think the speed and agility of these cars catches people out. You have less time to think and react in a tight situation. Fast open wheelers are not easy to race.
I do agree that more caution needs to be taken.
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I think the speed and agility of these cars catches people out. You have less time to think and react in a tight situation. Fast open wheelers are not easy to race.
I do agree that more caution needs to be taken.
The problem is that people will begin to drop out if it continues this way. Too many nights are ruined in the first couple of corners of races at the moment.
I, for one, have taken to just exit to pits and start again so that I at least get a night of fun driving. Last night I kept driving in Race 2 even though I had damage from hitting Phil who unfortunately had been hit by someone trying to overtake ahead of him in the first chicane on lap 1! In hindsight I should have just beemed back to the pits and enjoyed driving a few laps at normal pace. Better than limping around for 18 laps.
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Monza - it's too fast and too tight for me, don't enjoy it... especially with that many cars on this track...
R1 - got wiped out first chicane, had to pit and then I was chasing last place
R2 - tail got clipped after the first 2 chicanes... then crashed later because aero was shagged, had to go to pits and again chasing last place.
Are we only doing ballast off Qualifying again? The only reason I hung around on those races was my times were shit in the race and I would get a ballast advantage next round... Should have just bailed out and installed all my new kit for my setup...
Too confusing for me...
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Adding to my woes I seem to have caught something from Guybrush :D :D
I'm off the the chemist to buy some cream for my potency-o-metre........
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Well well!! What a most delicious night of racings for the StanDaams!!. At one of his most favourite tracks, the Monza!!!
Had some good pace last night, with not too much ballast :P
Race 1: The turn 1 incident. Well worth watching the replay after the race!!. At the time I thought I had hit Jeremy (which I did but I was at the end of a chain reaction) so I was feeling bad for him (he had more damage than I did). Thankfully he got going again pretty quickly and after my readdress, I was sitting in about 6th or so but with a lot less damage than those in front of me. Worked my way to the front (go Stan go!!) and after getting into the lead (hard luck Will, you had it in the bag!! :D), I was very close to letting Jeremy come through and take the win because I still felt bad for him... but I didn't :P and got the win!!!
Race 2: Had a great battle with Bacchulum for virtually the whole race. He passed me early on and got away from me. Freezer and Will had troubles after the pitstop which left me slowly hunting down Bacchulum for the win. We entered the parabolica on the last lap dead level, my balls shrank just a smidge which mean't that he came out in-front. I nearly got to him but he just beat me over the line. Good stuffs!! :P
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Monza - it's too fast and too tight for me, don't enjoy it... especially with that many cars on this track...
R1 - got wiped out first chicane, had to pit and then I was chasing last place
R2 - tail got clipped after the first 2 chicanes... then crashed later because aero was shagged, had to go to pits and again chasing last place.
Are we only doing ballast off Qualifying again? The only reason I hung around on those races was my times were shit in the race and I would get a ballast advantage next round... Should have just bailed out and installed all my new kit for my setup...
Too confusing for me...
No, fastest time from both qualifying and race combined.
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No, fastest time from both qualifying and race combined.
but ur only listing qualifying times here????
Ballast Changes
Average: 1:39.159
P1: StanDaam (1:37.607, 1.552): 59 -> 97
P2: Jeremy (1:37.979, 1.180): 109 -> 138
P3: Chap111 (1:39.442, -0.283): 2 -> 0
P4: Will (1:38.002, 1.157): 70 -> 98
P5: Simone (1:39.080, 0.079): 22 -> 24
P6: Gratulin (1:40.242, -1.083): 17 -> 0
P7: Freezer (1:38.566, 0.593): 58 -> 72
P8: Matthew111 (1:39.026, 0.133): 150 -> 153
P9: Guybrush Threepwood (1:38.423, 0.736): 172 -> 190
P10: Schmittez (1:40.623, -1.464): 20 -> 0
P11: Grat (1:39.772, -0.613): 113 -> 98
P12: Mael (1:40.682, -1.523): 59 -> 23
P13: Wally (1:39.919, -0.760): 31 -> 13
P14: Grubbet (1:39.159, 0.000): 0 -> 0
P15: Rolz (1:39.348, -0.189): 101 -> 96
P16: Bacchulum (1:38.899, 0.260): 51 -> 57
P17: Phil.8 (1:38.485, 0.674): 93 -> 109
P18: Marty (1:39.243, -0.084): 125 -> 123
P19: christopheraser (1:41.034, -1.875): 20 -> 20
Average: 1:39.357
P1: Bacchulum (1:39.055, 0.302): 57 -> 64
P2: StanDaam (1:38.710, 0.647): 97 -> 113
P3: Will (1:38.723, 0.634): 98 -> 113
P4: Wally (1:39.357, 0.000): 13 -> 13
P5: Jeremy (1:39.198, 0.159): 138 -> 142
P6: Matthew111 (1:39.417, -0.060): 153 -> 152
P7: Grubbet (1:39.909, -0.552): 0 -> 0
P8: Guybrush Threepwood (1:39.706, -0.349): 190 -> 182
P9: Freezer (1:39.030, 0.327): 72 -> 80
P10: Phil.8 (1:39.408, -0.051): 109 -> 108
P11: Gratulin (1:40.811, -1.454): 0 -> 0
P12: Rolz (1:39.356, 0.001): 96 -> 96
P13: Grat (1:39.706, -0.349): 98 -> 90
P14: Mael (1:40.600, -1.243): 23 -> 0
P15: Simone (1:39.254, 0.103): 24 -> 26
P16: Chap111 (1:38.792, 0.565): 0 -> 0
P17: Marty (2:35.138, -55.781): 123 -> 123
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I know its not realistic, but is it worth trying a race with damage off ?
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That's fastest of race or qually. It could turn out that fastest laps just happened to be qually laps.
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but ur only listing qualifying times here????
I guess looking at the amount of contact in the race report everyone was slower in the race then qualy. Shame I had the crash as my plan was to go as slow as possible early to avoid damage and I managed this but then had my other computer issues.
I know its not realistic, but is it worth trying a race with damage off ?
Damage on should encourage cleaner racing, the amount of time lost with damage is quite high so Im still amazed how many take extra risks with damage when it may end up costing 3 seconds a lap or more.
T1 is quite doable at monza 2 wide but everyone needs to be aware of all around them. Real starts there are also quite regularly carnage but if people hold inside or outside lines when alongside you should be able to manage no contact. Main issue there is if someone hits an inside kerb and this will send them wide and nost likely into another car.
However if one car hits another then the chain reaction can take out most especially in a field where the majority dont like to slow down if they see cars spinning ahead. ;)
I dont think there needs to be any specific rule or forced single file starts. Everyone should be able to make moves at the starts if they think they can pull it off. Maybe penalties should be harsher for causing collisions early. Along with points penalty maybe add ballast to a car for the next 2 races if they start a t1 or t2 collision.
Really points dont matter all that much but get ballast even in a no ballast season would surely be a more effective way of penalising those causing early collisions.
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That's fastest of race or qually. It could turn out that fastest laps just happened to be qually laps.
This I don't get - earlier in the season quals weren't counted now they are...
I'm over it.
I'm not taking part in next season if we have ballast - I'd rather come last because I suck and there are better drivers than me than understand how this works.
Will I'm at it, count me out for next weeks race
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Wally are you able to have a look at an incident into the first Lesmo on the first lap of Race 2 for me? I'm fairly sure I wasn't in the wrong. I was on the outside behind another car and as we both braked into the corner (I braked a little later) the car on the inside braked across my line and hit me off.
I just want to know if it was my fault or not so I know what is permissible, and expected, so as to avoid accidents in the future.
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Sorry about T1 bump Christopheraser
Was parked behind you in T1 waiting for the mess to clear. At that point I had not even started to turn into the second part of the chicane so with my 1 pc screen your car was the only one I could see. I think you made a slight move so thought the accident has cleared and started to pull away. Sadly there was still stationary cars in front of you which I only noticed as I turned but by that time it was too late to stop. I apologize for the bump, as backmarker I usually try to not cause the end of other drivers races but this one was my fault.
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That's fastest of race or qually. It could turn out that fastest laps just happened to be qually laps.
This I don't get - earlier in the season quals weren't counted now they are...
I'm over it.
I'm not taking part in next season if we have ballast - I'd rather come last because I suck and there are better drivers than me than understand how this works.
Will I'm at it, count me out for next weeks race
It's been this way for the last several rounds. Nothing's changed.
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Wally are you able to have a look at an incident into the first Lesmo on the first lap of Race 2 for me? I'm fairly sure I wasn't in the wrong. I was on the outside behind another car and as we both braked into the corner (I braked a little later) the car on the inside braked across my line and hit me off.
I just want to know if it was my fault or not so I know what is permissible, and expected, so as to avoid accidents in the future.
I'll take a look Thursday night.
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Race 1: The turn 1 incident. Well worth watching the replay after the race!!. At the time I thought I had hit Jeremy (which I did but I was at the end of a chain reaction) so I was feeling bad for him (he had more damage than I did). Thankfully he got going again pretty quickly and after my readdress, I was sitting in about 6th or so but with a lot less damage than those in front of me. Worked my way to the front (go Stan go!!) and after getting into the lead (hard luck Will, you had it in the bag!! :D), I was very close to letting Jeremy come through and take the win because I still felt bad for him... but I didn't :P and got the win!!!
I saw you coming about 4 laps away while you were in 3rd or 4th! After the T1 incident my car was oversteering heaps so I was a little off pace. That lap I spun out I tried to pick up speed because you'd gained so much but lost time in the process. Was looking forward to having a battle with you! Ah well
Maybe penalties should be harsher for causing collisions early. Along with points penalty maybe add ballast to a car for the next 2 races if they start a t1 or t2 collision.
I'd be fine with this...
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Perfect starts.perfect races,until freezer cut off the road in front of me at 3 laps to go and towards a precious 5th spot,,,,, :'(
Freezer i have a question,did you hear me on TS?
Good fun though,but i wish some drivers would be a bit more alert on the track.
freezer!!! did you hear me on TS?
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Anyone able to post the Race 1 replay? I'm interested in the 1st lap dramas but didn't save it..
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Perfect starts.perfect races,until freezer cut off the road in front of me at 3 laps to go and towards a precious 5th spot,,,,, :'(
Freezer i have a question,did you hear me on TS?
Good fun though,but i wish some drivers would be a bit more alert on the track.
freezer!!! did you hear me on TS?
I came to a stop sideways across the track with the only option to go forward to get out of the way, which I did, but you suddenly came around Lesmo 1 with no where to go..!
"Good fun though,but i wish some drivers would be a bit more alert on the track." - are you referring to when you ran me to the grass in R1 :) :)
TS Did I hear you . . say what?
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I kinda like the idea of a ballast penalty for causing incidents. I'll think about it. Some people care about points; some don't. A ballast penalty is effectively a points penalty if you lose a few places because of it, but you don't want to overdo it to the point of ruining someone's race just because of accidental carelessness. You'd only want to take a few tenths off lap time.
A lot of these incidents are really minor when you watch the replays, with potentially big consequences.
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I said:"What the fuck are you doing??? Are you drunk???
Do you have any apps on the monitor where you can see the relative positions of the other driver? cmon mate,i know very well ,,i know its a game but bloody hell....mate!!!
i foocking run nobody on the grass in R1.....mate....check whos coming if its too late remain stationary(like in real life) then when is safe keep going,you lost the car not me......end of the story,see you next week
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I kinda like the idea of a ballast penalty for causing incidents. I'll think about it. Some people care about points; some don't. A ballast penalty is effectively a points penalty if you lose a few places because of it, but you don't want to overdo it to the point of ruining someone's race just because of accidental carelessness. You'd only want to take a few tenths off lap time.
A lot of these incidents are really minor when you watch the replays, with potentially big consequences.
Except for Guybrush. If he runs into anyone he gets set back to 0 ballast and is forced to race by himself all night ie. out in front!!!
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Pretty sure that incident between freezer and simone was the odd one that happened on the straight before the second chicane. It wold be interesting to see in a replay who caused it as at the time I thought that was pretty weird to come together there so clearly at least 1 of the 2 was not aware of the other.
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Pretty sure that incident between freezer and simone was the odd one that happened on the straight before the second chicane. It wold be interesting to see in a replay who caused it as at the time I thought that was pretty weird to come together there so clearly at least 1 of the 2 was not aware of the other.
Would like to see the replay, but I was making ground up the right side of Simone toward the chicane when he appeared to squeeze me and it was either grass or him . . turned out to be him and with both went around.
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I have both replays, but a really slow upload speed (30 kb/s). I'll take a look tonight at them.
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What a night it was!
Qual 1. Did a decent lap on my 4th lap to go to the top of the list but i was 8thenths up on 2nd and thought I might have gone to hard and was going to get a huge weight penalty for the 2nd race so I decided not to go back out even though the track was improving. Stan ended up getting pole by 3tenths and I stared on the front row so my plan kinda worked out.
Race 1. Got a really good start and was side by side going into t1 with stan, i braked early and gave heaps of room but it was to no avail as I was tagged (all good stan after reading the posts you too were just a victim!) Even with the contact on the first corner and after stan readdressed I found myself in 2nd, trying to chase will was almost near impossible with damage both in the front and the back. Stan quickly caught me and passed easily down the straight. I was settling in for a solid 3rd until I saw will run wide on the last corner and allowed me through with 2 laps ago i pushed hard and to my surprise I was catching stan at a rapid rate! I was right on his rear wing coming into the last corner of the last lap but knew due to my wait I was never going to out drag him and settled for 2nd.
Qual 2. Extra 30kgs wasnt Ideal but I pushed on and got 8th, on my last flyer I was 3tenths up but made a small mistake and there goes a possible top 4...
Race 2. Got another decent start and was extremely careful going into turn1 like everyone around me did which was good to see! With the extra weight I couldnt be as consistant as I would have liked and soon simone was on me I made a slight mistake out of the final turn and he flew past me. The Next chaser was wally and he was catching quick but like simone he past me down the straight with ease! I thought I would try an undercut since wally was holding me up through the slower turns and would bolt down the straight. Plan almost worked two laps later wally came out of the pits as i was in full flights coming down the front straight but it wasnt to be he held his line and I settled in behind after that I tried to pressure him but with the turbulent air plus a heavy car it was hard to keep with him. I decided to save my tyres and wait until I had a lighter car. With two laps to go I pushed hard and caught back up but still couldnt get past him came home in 5th which wasnt to bad!
Its a close championship but with almost 150kg its going to be interesting to see how I can match it with stan and bach! See you next week!
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My pit crew really fucked me over in Race 2.
Do you guys bother putting in minimum fuel for the second stint or just hit FILL to save those precious seconds?
Edit: Actually, just occurred to me that it's probably best to consistently make the first stint the shorter one with minimum fuel for this reason. I'm learning - slowly.
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My pit crew really fucked me over in Race 2.
Do you guys bother putting in minimum fuel for the second stint or just hit FILL to save those precious seconds?
Edit: Actually, just occurred to me that it's probably best to consistently make the first stint the shorter one with minimum fuel for this reason. I'm learning - slowly.
Ideally, I would start with a full tank, because it costs you no time to fill up before the race. You want to minimise the time waiting for fuel in your pitstop. I would run as far as your tyres allow, and then refuel enough only to get you home from there. That minimises your stationary refuelling time.
AC pitstops are too simplistic though. You can't see how much fuel you're putting in easily, to judge it for the distance to the end. I usually just fill it up.
Then there's also your tyres and track grip. You probably want to maximise good rubber on a fully gripped track, so then you would pit as soon as the grip reached 100% (5 to 7 laps?) and put fresh rubber on. That probably means a short stint to start, then fill it up to get home, which is the opposite of what I said before!
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Plan almost worked two laps later wally came out of the pits as i was in full flights coming down the front straight but it wasnt to be he held his line and I settled in behind after that I tried to pressure him but with the turbulent air plus a heavy car it was hard to keep with him. I decided to save my tyres and wait until I had a lighter car. With two laps to go I pushed hard and caught back up but still couldnt get past him came home in 5th which wasnt to bad!
I was aware of you when I was exiting pits. It was a judgement call. Hard to judge on that long straight. I knew it was for position though, so I didn't want to just let you past ;)
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I'm not enjoying my driving at the moment. I'm out for the rest of this championship.
Thanks for the effort Wally.
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I think pit timing is entirely dependent on tyre degradation.
The best thing to do is figure out if you want to run short/medium/long on your first run then get on the practice server and do a race pitstop and figure out where you need to click to get the fuel you want for the second stint. I normally use the words above the pit stop fuel guage to figure out where to click, eg. just under the "L" in Fuel.
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What a night it was!
Qual 1. Did a decent lap on my 4th lap to go to the top of the list but i was 8thenths up on 2nd and thought I might have gone to hard and was going to get a huge weight penalty for the 2nd race so I decided not to go back out even though the track was improving. Stan ended up getting pole by 3tenths and I stared on the front row so my plan kinda worked out.
Race 1. Got a really good start and was side by side going into t1 with stan, i braked early and gave heaps of room but it was to no avail as I was tagged (all good stan after reading the posts you too were just a victim!) Even with the contact on the first corner and after stan readdressed I found myself in 2nd, trying to chase will was almost near impossible with damage both in the front and the back. Stan quickly caught me and passed easily down the straight. I was settling in for a solid 3rd until I saw will run wide on the last corner and allowed me through with 2 laps ago i pushed hard and to my surprise I was catching stan at a rapid rate! I was right on his rear wing coming into the last corner of the last lap but knew due to my wait I was never going to out drag him and settled for 2nd.
Qual 2. Extra 30kgs wasnt Ideal but I pushed on and got 8th, on my last flyer I was 3tenths up but made a small mistake and there goes a possible top 4...
Race 2. Got another decent start and was extremely careful going into turn1 like everyone around me did which was good to see! With the extra weight I couldnt be as consistant as I would have liked and soon simone was on me I made a slight mistake out of the final turn and he flew past me. The Next chaser was wally and he was catching quick but like simone he past me down the straight with ease! I thought I would try an undercut since wally was holding me up through the slower turns and would bolt down the straight. Plan almost worked two laps later wally came out of the pits as i was in full flights coming down the front straight but it wasnt to be he held his line and I settled in behind after that I tried to pressure him but with the turbulent air plus a heavy car it was hard to keep with him. I decided to save my tyres and wait until I had a lighter car. With two laps to go I pushed hard and caught back up but still couldnt get past him came home in 5th which wasnt to bad!
Its a close championship but with almost 150kg its going to be interesting to see how I can match it with stan and bach! See you next week!
Very good Jeremy!!
yes freezer you right i had one more contact after the mess at the first chicane but everything happened behind , i thought was wally.
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I'm not enjoying my driving at the moment. I'm out for the rest of this championship.
Thanks for the effort Wally.
No worries, thanks for taking part.
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Wally are you able to have a look at an incident into the first Lesmo on the first lap of Race 2 for me? I'm fairly sure I wasn't in the wrong. I was on the outside behind another car and as we both braked into the corner (I braked a little later) the car on the inside braked across my line and hit me off.
I just want to know if it was my fault or not so I know what is permissible, and expected, so as to avoid accidents in the future.
I had a look at this, and my read of it is that you ran into the back of him. The car to the right was creeping back across to the racing line towards the left of track - it wasn't a sudden move to the left. It all happened very quickly in these cars though, of course. I think in these situations, you have to give the car in front the benefit of the doubt. After all, you can see him much more than he can see you.
(http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w549/WallyMasterson/Screenshot_vsfr-formularenault35_2014_hdf_monza_19-11-115-21-6-57_zpscshol52r.jpg)
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In most series the rule of thumb is that you don't move off your line under braking, but if that's allowed that's OK, it's just good to know. Here is the replay as well so others know what we are talking about:
[youtube]aVxmqxsErPg[/youtube]
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You did not download the skin of DA Racing!!!???!!! I am all with Rolz now: well done mate! :)
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It's interesting to discuss these incidents, as they're often not cut and dried. To my eye, it still looks like the other car was just in front enough to reclaim the racing line. There wasn't really any overlap. If you were alongside him, I would have called that an unfair squeeze, but as it was, I reckon you should have anticipated the move and yielded.
I'd be interested to hear other opinions!
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My humble opinion.
For me it is really at the limit. On one hand, Rolz is clearly ahead at braking point (when GB hits 200 or so). On the other hand, he had not regained the racing line by then, and he should have not attempted to do it under braking. To be more precise: there is a car-width on the left of Rolz at braking point, so by the book GB had right to it. It was therefore at least an optimistic move. But given the situation of heavy traffic, it is hard for him to keep track of every single opponent in that moment, and probably GB is also slightly optimistic in trying to get the outside in such a messy situation.
All in all: guys, these type of accidents happen between the best drivers. Even in the diaper-like formula one today they might have called it a racing accident and give no penalties. These are not the crashes we should worry about. They will always happen any now and then.
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There was obviously overlap when we connected as I got punted off to the left of the track.
This is a really good summation of racing rules that everyone should read:
https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/
My defence lawyer quotes:
On a straight, a defending driver has the right to suddenly change direction, even using the entire track width if they are fully ahead of the attacking driver. The same right does not apply in or immediately before the braking zone for a corner. Sudden changes of direction just before or within the braking zone are considered extremely dangerous, as they can leave the attacking driver nowhere to go.
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There was obviously overlap when we connected as I got punted off to the left of the track.
This is a really good summation of racing rules that everyone should read:
https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/
My defence lawyer quotes:
On a straight, a defending driver has the right to suddenly change direction, even using the entire track width if they are fully ahead of the attacking driver. The same right does not apply in or immediately before the braking zone for a corner. Sudden changes of direction just before or within the braking zone are considered extremely dangerous, as they can leave the attacking driver nowhere to go.
GB: I said
there is a car-width on the left of Rolz at braking point, so by the book GB had right to it.
I am not sure about how much overlap there was before he brakes (looks like he brakes a little earlier than you do), but in any case if you have left a car-width before braking point, you cannot regain the racing line in any way that can cause a collision. So I think we agree completely on this. The only thing I was pointing out is that in a crowded situation, just after you both have passed a struggling car, things are a bit more foggy and many stewards would have not not penalized him (with perhaps a call in the next briefing explaining that the move was not legal per se and would not be allowed, but it was considered a racing accident only because of the confused situation).
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The thing is, you need to watch more of the replay, from further back. Like I said in my original thoughts, it wasn't a ”sudden move”. Rolz had been slowly moving to the left for some time, and I think it could have been anticipated. You could see it coming, so you as the ”attacking driver” had somewhere to go, i.e. backing off. When I watch the replay for incidents, I use the F5 chase camera, pulled right back, and watch from both cars points of view. I also watch from both cars' cockpit cams too, to see what the driver saw.
I agree, a sudden move to cover the racing line is not on, but I wouldn't call this a sudden move. I also give more benefit of the doubt to the car in front, as the car behind can see what the other car is doing.
Yes Grat, this is just a consequence of everybody avoiding the earlier crash on the left of the track, which put everyone over on the right, a little unnaturally. It was just an incident, that happen all the time, but these discussions are always interesting, to hear different points of view of the same incident.
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After seeing the video its a tricky one as GB was holding his line yet the car ahead seems to have chose the inside to defend. But then also wants the full road to turn in, however there seems to be no overlap until after the car ahead hits the brakes.
I personally would hold the inside line if I was the forward car as chosing to defend means you still need to leave some room for the agead car but he also may have been clear at his brake point so he may have assumed the car behind wouldnt take the outside line to the entry.
The inside car does need to brake earlier to make the apex however and so this gives the car behind an opportubity to make the putside move also assuming the car ahead isnt going to swing back outside on entry.
I have hadany people do the same thing to me but even yesterday somebody maybe grat did go back outside after defending the inside even though I had overlap well before the brake point and it pushed me off the road.
This is more common and in the pub servers many times people have just driven me off the road when on a straight if we are fully side by side, on corner entry there is always a risk depending on who you try to pass on the outside.
These cars even when fat bastards can change direction very quickly so it can easily catch people unaware. There are also some people that tend to close more doors then others yet some of these guys expect you to leave them room when they cut off noses quite often. ;)
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The thing is, you need to watch more of the replay, from further back. Like I said in my original thoughts, it wasn't a ”sudden move”. Rolz had been slowly moving to the left for some time, and I think it could have been anticipated.
The car on the inside clearly moves more sharply under brakes toward the outside of the track though - i think we can all see that? If the line taken before that was held then there would have been room, even if there was a gradual creeping over from the inside to the outside/middle of the track - which is why the article above says that lines should be held under braking as otherwise it leaves the attacker no-where to go.
If it were a constant creeping over the track on one line where you could anticipate the door closing then the car behind should back off.
If I were on the inside and only had my nose along-side then I should back off.
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Not really commenting on what is correct or otherwise but I would have:
1. Backed off if I were the following car.
2. Not moved over if I were the lead car.
If I did otherwise it would have been by mistake.
If both cars had followed my approach then there would be no accident.