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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on February 22, 2017, 07:19:03 AM
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Track: http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/mills-metropark.7222/ (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/mills-metropark.7222/)
I'll put both the Porsche 911 GT3 Cup 2017 and the Mazda MX5 Cup together in the early practice session, so you can jump in and out of each car, then we'll have a separate qually and about 25 min race in first the MX5, then in the Porsche.
I'll update the practice server tonight.
MX5: 13 laps
Porsche: 15 laps
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Practice server's up.
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Without tyre warmers, the tyres are COLD and SLIPPERY until you get the temps up, which takes a good 2 or 3 laps. You have been warned!
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I like! 8) ;D 8)
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Had a quick run in each this arvo. Actually really liking the MX-5. Been a while since we've had something with a manual gearbox on a Tuesday.
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I like! 8) ;D 8)
Yeah, it feels really good how the tyres slowly come to you.
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I feel like a hero on lap 3 looking at the delta times! 8) :-[
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AC had an update, we neeeeeed server help ;D
(luckily most seems to be working)
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AC had an update, we neeeeeed server help ;D
Tomorrow!
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Server's up.
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RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2017/02/fun-run-mazda-mx5-cup-porsche-2017-cup.html)
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I found the Mazda a lot of fun for close pack racing, being a little slower and more predictable. The racing was closer, with 32 seconds between 1 and 10 in the race, compared to 67 seconds between 1 and 10 in the Porsche. But on the other hand, it's a lot easier to make a mistake in the Porsche, so you can make up positions due to frontrunners' mistakes. In the Mazda, if the guy in front doesn't make a mistake, it's harder to catch up.
I reckon the Mazda would be more fun out of these two, as it probably gives good, close racing more consistently. When you're lapping well in the Porsche, it feels very, very good to control the car, but it would also lead to more spins, crashes and frustrations. It would probably be a more up and down season for a lot of people. Don't forget, in the Porsche we would have some enduro rounds, so there's lots of scope for gaining positions due to mishaps etc.
If you want to try the Porsche on a KS track to compare grip with Mills, XGN server 1 is already up with the car at Silverstone.
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I agree with Wally. the MX-5, as much as it's slower, the racing is a lot closer and a little easier to fight back. Not always so easy to pass though. Perhaps an official track will yield better results for the porsche gt3 cup cars. I've driven it offline on a green track and never found it to be anywhere near as loose.
I still think racing the porsche gt3 will separate the field too much. If we are going to race it then I'd rather see it mixed with the other gt3 cars assuming its still in spec with them?
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I still think racing the porsche gt3 will separate the field too much. If we are going to race it then I'd rather see it mixed with the other gt3 cars assuming its still in spec with them?
I thought this was more like Porsche supercup series... they are quite different, if I understand correctly, from GT3's.
Apart form this, my experience is that with the Mazda you DO NOT recover. Once you lose 2 seconds, it is damn hard to get them back, exactly because times are very close. Only hope is for the pack ahead to start battling really hard.
Yes, racing in a tight pack is fun, but lots of people will complain a lor anyway because of more crashes and more hard passes (remember the Japanese cars series?). So all in all it is not so clear to me what's best for racing. I like that the Porsche is challenging and asks for you to practice during the week and be very precise with your driving. I struggle to be precise, so it is a nice challenge, which I like. Perhaps it is a bit too similar to the Maserati series. So I understand others might like a bigger change. But I also like the instinctive way you can drive the Mazda, just trying to maximize corner speeds, and the fact that races will have some component of chaos when we are all packed (even that is a big challenge for people like me who are not the best in tight packs).
So I am not sure, but I would not make it so simple ;)
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For me Mazda is a bit boring to drive but may provide close racing, the porsche cup is much more rewarding to drive and also provided some good racing. Early on some just struggled more in it with the colder tyres but thats another thing I liked about it.
A few more laps in it and some setup work will make it more controllable for all but Id put my vote towards this over the mazda as something id lrefer to drive. Either car though Id hope there is a mix of long and short tracks for the season and not just the usual system of slower cars on short tight tracks which takes away most of the passing opportunities.
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I never do slower cars exclusively on short tracks. That's an alt-fact ;)
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It's interesting to hear people's opinions about the two cars. I'm quite undecided between the two. I had good races in both.
As grat said, the Porsche is not a GT3 car, but a Carrera Cup car. It's slower than the GT3 cars.
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It's interesting to hear people's opinions about the two cars. I'm quite undecided between the two. I had good races in both.
As grat said, the Porsche is not a GT3 car, but a Carrera Cup car. It's slower than the GT3 cars.
The porsche cup series is probably the most used single make race series world wide, its so popular because its a good challenge of drivers skill in equal cars where all get the same chance but the better drivers will get a bit of an edge.
The mx5 cup car is more a starter class series like the new gt86 challenge class in Australia its underpowered and over tyred so its much easier to drive. It can provide some fun racing in big close packs but its not really what Id call a drivers car. Its also only used mostly in the US where porshe cup has a full series in most countries world wide supporting many of the premier series.
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All i know is I hate driving Porsche , real or simulated, in any game, they feel horrible disgusting, yuck pos
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All i know is I hate driving Porsche , real or simulated, in any game, they feel horrible disgusting, yuck pos
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Hojngf-7HiwxpzAKV_RDjFeA7F1J0ns4M43p4aEebqOOiWdmLo9VyWSWiKXpHFh8-Th_YnvuqC-PnVGVGuTtxXVnZzRfTh_neJnreStJ3SVygV8ta-hsxqgP=w304-h224-nc)
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All i know is I hate driving Porsche , real or simulated, in any game, they feel horrible disgusting, yuck pos
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I don't know what's not to like about the Porsches, this one in particular. You just need to alter your driving style, to be more controlled with your throttle inputs.
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You also need to turn in way before you really think you should, and brake a lot sooner than you think you really should. As Phil said reminds me a lot of the Maserati GT4 in that regard which I didn't like much at the start (I only voted for is as Marty kept complaining how boring it was), but once I had a decent setup and some practice it was a lot better.
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I dont rember what the other options were against the maserati but its a much less boring car to drive then the mx5 cup. I assume Joe will vote that as he likes the most boring option and he seemed to struggle in the porsche more as he was rear ending Wally each race start. :)
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It was GT3 cars; I think it's more you really wanted those.
In race 1 pretty sure it wasn't me who hit Wally, there was a gap up the inside of T1 so I took that and I kept a tight line and was hit from the side.
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In race 1 pretty sure it wasn't me who hit Wally, there was a gap up the inside of T1 so I took that and I kept a tight line and was hit from the side.
Not my fault Wally was driving so slowly ;D
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In race 1 pretty sure it wasn't me who hit Wally, there was a gap up the inside of T1 so I took that and I kept a tight line and was hit from the side.
Not my fault Wally was driving so slowly ;D
So it was you first start? And yeah, he was ;D
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I don't know what's not to like about the Porsches, this one in particular. You just need to alter your driving style, to be more controlled with your throttle inputs.
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They can't be one of the more successful racing series across the world because they area crap! Was overly slipper last night, but I reckon on better tracks that will improve
along with some practice and setups. Bring it on.....
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In race 1 pretty sure it wasn't me who hit Wally, there was a gap up the inside of T1 so I took that and I kept a tight line and was hit from the side.
Not my fault Wally was driving so slowly ;D
I may have been trying to not rear end the car in front of me ;)
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I don't know what's not to like about the Porsches, this one in particular. You just need to alter your driving style, to be more controlled with your throttle inputs.
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They can't be one of the more successful racing series across the world because they area crap! Was overly slipper last night, but I reckon on better tracks that will improve
along with some practice and setups. Bring it on.....
Their popularity wanes, only 13 in this years series. :(
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I've yet to be in a GT3 season, I like the idea of a mixed make series. I struggle with understeer in any car, as much as I like the supercars for a season I'm finding they steer like a dog for me. My setups need work to compensate for what the joystick lacks, but that can only go so far.
For the supercars the 2 McLarens have the same specs, why not put them both in? Is there something I am missing in difference between them other than the 650 looks better.
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I've yet to be in a GT3 season, I like the idea of a mixed make series. I struggle with understeer in any car, as much as I like the supercars for a season I'm finding they steer like a dog for me. My setups need work to compensate for what the joystick lacks, but that can only go so far.
For the supercars the 2 McLarens have the same specs, why not put them both in? Is there something I am missing in difference between them other than the 650 looks better.
Was there a 650s added to the game while I was away or are you talking the gt3 models? There is a 650s and mp412c gt3 car. I did read a while back they are making the street 650s but hadnt heard of it being announced yet meaning the only mclaren road cars are the mp4 12c and the p1 which is much faster then any supercar.
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Re GT3 races, I am waiting for the introduction of more LMP1 cars to go with the Porsches (mid year, I think), and then we can do a mixed class WEC type season with a GT3 class.