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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on December 20, 2016, 11:01:53 PM
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To see what racing the Praga R1 is like, this practice round will be 2 sprints of 10 laps each, followed by a feature race of 20 laps with one compulsory pit stop for tyres, at Virginia International Raceway (North Course).
TRACK DOWNLOAD (http://www.racedepartment.com/downloads/virginia-international-raceway.11892/)
Weather will be 26 degrees.
Race summary
Race 1 - 10 lap sprint
Race 2 - 10 lap sprint
Race 3 - 20 laps with 1 compulsory pit stop where tyres must be changed. Refuelling is allowed. 1.5x tyre wear in race 3 only.
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Unfortunately I'll be away next Tuesday so count me out. It's a pity though, I wanted to see what these cars were like in a large grid. I had a whirl on Marty's server and it was a pretty tame car and didn't excite me all that much.
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Updated all servers including this one for next week, the other servers have mixed combos from the Porsche packs.
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I've made race 3 only have 1.5x tyre wear. This is to avoid being able to just stay on softs the whole race. With this tyre wear rate, you'll get about 8 good laps out of a set of softs. This means that with the compulsory tyre change, you'll probably do one stint on softs and one stint on mediums, which will mix up the strategy a bit.
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Hello! I get kicked out of the server!! :'( any solutions Marty? got the track,got the car,,,what it can be?
thx
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Hello! I get kicked out of the server!! :'( any solutions Marty? got the track,got the car,,,what it can be?
thx
I'm booted too. Marty needs to update the car data on the server, as it was updated in 1.11.1.
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I'm fine.
Sure it's not just a different track version? ???
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I'm fine.
Sure it's not just a different track version? ???
The track hasn't been updated for some time, but the Praga has, just recently. I wonder why you can get in though? Maybe you and Marty have an old version of the track? The latest is version 1.1, updated 18/09/16.
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Yep, running v1.1 (d/l 21/9) ;)
Mysterious......... :o
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Maybe I've got the old version of the track! Can't try right now...
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I cant join the server either >:(.
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Better check you've got the latest version of the VIR track - 1.1 - from the download link in the first post. I'm pretty sure mine is still the old VIR.
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Thats where i downloaded the track from...your first post about 2 hours ago.
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Hmmmm... until we hear from Marty, I'm not sure what's going on then, as I'm not sure what's on his server.
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I've been on the server today. Not sure what version I have though.
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Praga is a bit twitchy around VIR :)
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Praga is a bit twitchy around VIR :)
You reckon? I find it's super stable, can pretty much floor it anywhere
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Turn TC off. ;) ;)
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Turn TC off. ;) ;)
First thing i did. Quicker off, but still so much grip. Cant run wing lower than 3 though.
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When i attempt to join it says on the bottom of the screen...you are only an AB but you need to be a N to join???? What the hell!!! Is it passwordprotected this server?? As iam using the proper password. May i post what pw iam using??
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When i attempt to join it says on the bottom of the screen...you are only an AB but you need to be a N to join???? What the hell!!!
You might need to give me or wally or marty your guid so you can be added to the minorating white list
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Turn TC off. ;) ;)
First thing i did. Quicker off, but still so much grip. Cant run wing lower than 3 though.
I forgot to turn tc off and put softs on, I feel slightly better now been so slow
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When i attempt to join it says on the bottom of the screen...you are only an AB but you need to be a N to join???? What the hell!!!
You might need to give me or wally or marty your guid so you can be added to the minorating white list
this is exactely what the mnessage says...
"you need a minorating.com of grade AB to join (you are a N)
I have given Wally my GUID but here it is again....
76561197999717234
Could you please please my GUID where it needs to go asap please Phil?
Thanks
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When i attempt to join it says on the bottom of the screen...you are only an AB but you need to be a N to join???? What the hell!!!
You might need to give me or wally or marty your guid so you can be added to the minorating white list
this is exactely what the mnessage says...
"you need a minorating.com of grade AB to join (you are a N)
I have given Wally my GUID but here it is again....
76561197999717234
Could you please please my GUID where it needs to go asap please Phil?
Thanks
Try now
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NO joy, still getting the same messege! Goin to bed now, thanks for trying though.
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When i attempt to join it says on the bottom of the screen...you are only an AB but you need to be a N to join???? What the hell!!!
You might need to give me or wally or marty your guid so you can be added to the minorating white list
this is exactely what the mnessage says...
"you need a minorating.com of grade AB to join (you are a N)
I have given Wally my GUID but here it is again....
76561197999717234
Could you please please my GUID where it needs to go asap please Phil?
Thanks
Try now
After adding to the whitelist you will also need to rs the mr auth cache, maybe also the mr app.
I will take a look anyway now and see if its added properly then rs all servers if empty.
MG the servers run minorating which is a Iracing type driver filter. This allows any public with a high rating of clean driving into the servers but also any xgn members not yet rated will be added to the whitelist and allowed access. The advantage of running MR allows more people to join the servers but not need to worry about general pub server type kiddies.
For XGN members ot will also rate your driving in the servers allowing ypu to later join any other servers running minorating.
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I checked and it seemed the MR auth cache wasnt restarted after Phil added MG to the whitelist. You should be able to get into the Tuesday and Thursday XGN practice servers now even if your rating isnt high enough. The Marty's servers are running a test MR auth atm so the whitelist is not in effect there atm see this thread for more info there.
http://xgn.com.au/index.php?topic=1734.0
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Praga is a bit twitchy around VIR :)
You reckon? I find it's super stable, can pretty much floor it anywhere
Car must suit you Joe, could not get close to your times.
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After finally getting onto the server...thanks Marty.
There were about 5 of us on the server late last night and it was my first time in the Praga and it reminded me of a big go cart with a roof and a windscreen which cracks to the point of being a hazard from not much impact! Snappy oversteer and horrible power understeer but that was more than likely the setup and me but a lot of the other guys where also having spins in strange places as well...overall I didn't like it, under braking my car would go into big oversteer very unstable then if I caught that which 9 outta 10 times I didn't it would dump truck push thru the next corner then go straight into huge power oversteer. Weird!
The track...😬 😳 😒. Very tight and twisty with a long straight, very tricky, I don't know if it was me, the car or the setup but I could not get it to do the same thing 2 laps in a row....probably just me as atm I really suck and have no clue how to make a car drive better by chasing the setup but I wouldn't recommend using this track for any series races, the other guys were saying the same thing, there was no room to pass and not enough power from these cars to get it done anyway unless the driver in front of you made a mistake, which happened with monotonous regularity! This car definitely isn't my cup of tea!
I guess if you worked on a set for about 4 hours and you knew what to do (which I don't) you could/maybe get it to handle a little better but for me it was too unpredictable and I couldn't push because like I said it wouldn't handle the same for even 2 consecutive laps for me!
Not enough power, no torque and it lacks that high pitched scream which for me is the one thing that gets me going, I love the BMW because of how it sounds and hate that McLaren MP4-12C because it has no sound for a twin turbo V8 🙄 ☹️.
I just woke up from a crap 5 hour sleep so iam rambling on here probably making no sense so I will leave it at that and see what the other guys who were on the server with me last night thought about the car 😉. Back to sleeeeep now 😌.
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Everything you're saying is the complete opposite to how I found it ;D
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I have made very few setup changes other than tyre pressures. I think since AC 1.11 and the new tyre model on the Praga, the back has become a little looser, and requires a little more throttle control. Other than that, I find it very controllable.
A lot of cars in AC can feel understeery, but I think it's usually because you're simply entering the corner too fast. You have to learn to enter corners a little slower than you might do in other sims.
Yeah, that "shortcut" section on the north course is very narrow, and I wouldn't use that layout for a season race. The rest of the track is OK though.
I don't like those very easy windscreen cracks in AC either. I'm not sure what percentage damage is on the practice server, but I run 60% damage on Tuesdays mostly for that reason.
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I have made very few setup changes other than tyre pressures. I think since AC 1.11 and the new tyre model on the Praga, the back has become a little looser, and requires a little more throttle control. Other than that, I find it very controllable.
A lot of cars in AC can feel understeery, but I think it's usually because you're simply entering the corner too fast. You have to learn to enter corners a little slower than you might do in other sims.
Yeah, that "shortcut" section on the north course is very narrow, and I wouldn't use that layout for a season race. The rest of the track is OK though.
I don't like those very easy windscreen cracks in AC either. I'm not sure what percentage damage is on the practice server, but I run 60% damage on Tuesdays mostly for that reason.
Well, if the F138 gets the nod you can turn the damage back up to 100%...no windscreens on them bad boys 😉.
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I cant remember damage level on prac server its likely 50% or 100%. If the windscreen is damaged I think thats the least of your issues and mostly I run 100% damage on my servers only the xgn servers are run lower for whatever reasons others have chosen. I cant remember the last time I had a broken windscreen but have still seen others do it.
In that very late session a few of us had last night I had a bit of contact but the windscreen also never got damaged. One big swipe from someone I was alongside did damage suspension a little but same contact in a real car would have been end of race.
I dont think there is much reason to not run 100% damage on league nights. It may actually make people less likely to riak their own race with contact and so also damage others less. Accidents will always happen and I think the latest patch has revised damage a little so for pre season at least testing back at 100% may be a good thing.
Those suffering big damage just need to take more care next time and maybe leave some racing room for others.
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Regarding the car and track combo, car is fine I dont think it needs massive setup. Just add some rear wing to not lose the rear on the fast blind esses which is what this track is mostly made of. Its also what makes it hard to pass with no straight long enough for a fairly easy draft pass it needs to be done in other ways.
If you run ptracker which is a very handy app in the app list. This will give you extra timing in server also with possibilily to easily share setups ingame. I normally put a setup in there if I make it driveable enough and fairly quick.
Once you learn the track its quite a fun combo and is fairly challenging on the limit. I generally think shorter layouts just limit passing but I dont mind racing in such tracks, I do like a challenge and enough people will make enough mistakes to do this.
I dont know if the combo will show the car in its best light though as some may find it too challenging but then put the f138 here and many would prefer the praga I think. ;)
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Guys,
I really need some help in setting up the in-game stuff. Iam going to try to jump on TS and the server tonight around 8pm Sydney time so I can get up to speed quicker by knowing what buttons on the keyboard do what, the best spotter to use etc. It's much easier to talk on TS than it is to go back and forth with questions and answers here and I have a truck full of questions regarding AC in-game. So if somebody has the time and patience to help me I would be very grateful.
I know it's Christmas Eve and family time obviously takes precedence but if you get some free time and can help me out please either PM me with what time is best for you or I will just jump on and hopefully there's a helping hand waiting 🙂. Bacc do you copy...over 😀!
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Roger Roger.
I should be able to make it then. ;)
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On ya teamie, talk to you around 8pm brother 😀.
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Guys,
I really need some help in setting up the in-game stuff. Iam going to try to jump on TS and the server tonight around 8pm Sydney time so I can get up to speed quicker by knowing what buttons on the keyboard do what, the best spotter to use etc. It's much easier to talk on TS than it is to go back and forth with questions and answers here and I have a truck full of questions regarding AC in-game. So if somebody has the time and patience to help me I would be very grateful.
I know it's Christmas Eve and family time obviously takes precedence but if you get some free time and can help me out please either PM me with what time is best for you or I will just jump on and hopefully there's a helping hand waiting 🙂. Bacc do you copy...over 😀!
I wont be on at that time but will jump into the server now for a few laps if your around.
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After some practice at VIR I reaffirm my dislike for the track but the Praga maintains my vote for the next season. Racing would be very close and competitive, just as required :)
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After some practice at VIR I reaffirm my dislike for the track but the Praga maintains my vote for the next season. Racing would be very close and competitive, just as required :)
All VIR variants r very tough but very good tracks in my opinion
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After some practice at VIR I reaffirm my dislike for the track but the Praga maintains my vote for the next season. Racing would be very close and competitive, just as required :)
All VIR variants r very tough but very good tracks in my opinion
After a few laps at the track I do really like the tricky technical layout. It wont be an easy place to pass at but thats just one of the challenges of racing at various tracks. If we want easy passing we can do an oval series. ;)
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Server is up.
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Here are the RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2016/12/praga-r1-at-virginia-international.html).
The three race podiums were:
Race 1
1. Kcender
2. Phil
3. Marty
Race 2
1. Marty
2. Kcender
3 Joe
Race 3
1. Kcender
2. Phil
3. Marty
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I found the car challenging to drive. I made lots of mistakes - lock ups, little spins, offs onto the grass. I didn't race very consistently, and when I did, I was quite a bit off the pace. I haven't really fiddled much with the setup, so maybe I can find a little more stability there. I was in little packs of close racing, and had some good battles with a few guys, especially close to AJ in the last race, giving away a final spot with a silly mistake on the last lap.
Because of my mistakes and lack of pace, I can't say I was really in love with the car.
Handicapping
One thing to remember with the racing format that we'd use with this car - as in real life, it has a handicapping system, whereby the season leaders get a set additional time delay in a pit stop (I have a way of doing this with the PitConfig app). That would help to mix up the race results a bit.
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Was a bit of fun battling with Kcender and Phil in the 3 races, race 1 I seemed to struggle with braking into a couple corners then had a brain berp and lost a couple spots. Race 2 was a good battle with Kcender and I just managed to stay ahead, Race 3 was going ok holding off Kcender early as he had the pace on me out of the last turn and with the draft into t1 but I seemed to be better under brakes into t1 and hung on to the place after being side by side into t1 many laps.
The pit stops Kcender went early on lap 8 I think and so I pitted the next lap to try some sort of battle against the undercut, surprisingly he lost a couple seconds and then Phil who pitted a lap later ended up gaining on Kcender too. I tried to save the tyres a bit and just hold position as the guys behind had good pace and getting a gap was not going to be easy. I figured them making the ground will only hurt their tyres in the end but then I got a little assist into a spin from Phil and got a bit of damage along with dropping a spot.
From there the car wasnt great but didnt lose too much pace, it had lots more understeer and the last lap it pushed a lot into the last turn where I ended up losing the spot to Phil at the line.
I think these cars are fairly interesting to race the track itself didnt lead to much passing and without a fairly major error it was unlikely you would lose a position. The draft was fairly significant and on any track with a longer straight it would be almost impossible to defend against a draft.
Here is the replay of the last race as requested by Shameless.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/dzudae5c6cfodl5/ks_praga_r1%40vir-north_course_20161227221211.rar
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Sorry, I lost track of days and only realised about 9:30 that this run was on.
Darren
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I initally though this car was a bit dull but the more I drove it the more I enjoyed it. It's quite easy to drive, but a bit of a challenge to drive fast. My fastest laps were really pushing it to the edge.
I got a 1:23.8 in practice doing 150+ laps but couldn't be consistent and fast. In r1 I spun off on lap 6 and destroyed the front of the car and a cracked windscreen. Was pretty hard going after that and crashed again on lap 9 so gave up.
R2 qualified in 3rd and stayed in 3rd till the end. I eased off a bit to try and stay consistent. Kept marty and kcender in sight but wasn't on that kind of pace.
Gave r3 a miss.
Are there any apps that show track grip? Shame dashmeter doesn't have it.
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Thanks Marty, will get the video underway over the next few days should have it released.
As much as I like the car, I felt a tad lonely for most of all 3 races, maybe it was just me. I did have some small battles for the opening laps but I was either too fast or too slow to keep up or be near a group of cars. The sound of the springs was keeping me going.. I think ballast imo is better than pitstop delay, but if if it hasn't been tried before and needs to be tested in a season then so be it.
On the plus side the car is relatively easy for me to drive given the joystick and I did get down to the 1:25s but lapped mostly in the low 1:26s. Maybe with more people racing and a host of different tracks it will improve. I struggle for grip on 1x tyre wear and 1.5x definitely made it harder for me to maintain grip, but as Marty pointed out it may be a tyre pressure issue, and it is an area I need to work on.
I will still prefer the praga r1 over the f138 for a season.
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Maybe with more people racing and a host of different tracks it will improve.
The fields are fairly small atm with the time of year and mid season runs lucky to get half a regular field most of the time. Once the season starts grids should be up around 24 per race again but with a few new guys here especially in these mid season runs its possible we will get even more during the season even though I will miss most of it. This should add more depth to the field at all parts of the pack as there are a few front runners away and also some mid pack guys will be coming back so more battles through the field will be going on.
Track wise I think this one would have been hard to pass in any car but it was actually fun to lap in it but the layout just wont lend itself to easy passing unless an error is made by the car ahead.
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Maybe with more people racing and a host of different tracks it will improve.
The fields are fairly small atm with the time of year and mid season runs lucky to get half a regular field most of the time. Once the season starts grids should be up around 24 per race again but with a few new guys here especially in these mid season runs its possible we will get even more during the season even though I will miss most of it. This should add more depth to the field at all parts of the pack as there are a few front runners away and also some mid pack guys will be coming back so more battles through the field will be going on.
Track wise I think this one would have been hard to pass in any car but it was actually fun to lap in it but the layout just wont lend itself to easy passing unless an error is made by the car ahead.
I agree, I think tracks like magione, mugello, zandvoort, vallelunga classic etc these cars would be more fun and yes with more on track.
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Sorry guys i had to go for dinner i still got relatives around,,.,.,.,.,.,.,., :(
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Are there any apps that show track grip? Shame dashmeter doesn't have it.
The standard "Realtime" app shows track temp, air temp and grip%. I keep it tucked away on my right screen, but check it now and then during a session just for the grip level.
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Are there any apps that show track grip? Shame dashmeter doesn't have it.
The standard "Realtime" app shows track temp, air temp and grip%. I keep it tucked away on my right screen, but check it now and then during a session just for the grip level.
Cheers Russ. Will take a look.
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RaceEssentials also shows it down to a 10th of a percent.
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RaceEssentials also shows it down to a 10th of a percent.
I'm also using RaceEssentials. Pretty sure Wally has said previously that it's ceased development but it's still a sweet app
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RaceEssentials also shows it down to a 10th of a percent.
I'm also using RaceEssentials. Pretty sure Wally has said previously that it's ceased development but it's still a sweet app
The author has moved on to his new app, Sidekick, and not supporting RaceEssentials any more, but I am keeping it alive: http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/raceessentials-v1-4-5.41103