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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on August 13, 2014, 02:54:17 PM
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Can we get through turn 1 :)
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Can we get through turn 1 :)
Monza's notorious! Might need a single-file policy.
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It's a shame we cant do a sighting lap, I think it's a must in open wheelers.
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We could do a rolling start - just follow the pole sitter around for the first lap with no overtaking until the start finish line. Turn 1 would probably still be mayhem....
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We could do a rolling start - just follow the pole sitter around for the first lap with no overtaking until the start finish line. Turn 1 would probably still be mayhem....
I dont think thats needed, just a little caution into t1 and if your side by side hold the inside or outside line until you know your clear. T1 will be an issue all race as will the end of every straight as there will be cars side by side all over the track thanks to the draft. Would be a good idea to have some short practice races here and I will have my server setup that way a bit so people can jump on and get used to racing others but even on the practice server you can always get together and race a little if on teamspeak.
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Yeah a rolling start won't be needed. Just be aware that from past experience that traffic will NEARLY STOP the first time through the chicane, especially further back in the field. Leave lots of room, be prepared for the car in front to brake suddenly.
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How about a red flag? Say more than 4 cars get tangled up at the start, put up a vote for a restart?
don't they do restarts in the real world if there is a big crash on the track?
Just putting it out there.
Besides.. why ram on the 1st lap when i could ram faster and harder on the second??
It's CramDick Racing... not 'Give-em-all-the-room-they-need-Dick Racing..
;D
You know i'm messing with ya's!
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I'm not sure what happens to the grid order on a session restart. It might get randomised.
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I was fairly well back in the grid for both races last night, so had a good view of what was going on
into turns 1 2 & 3 and I must say I was very impressed with how we all handled it. I reckon we're
getting better every race as we get used to larger grids. ;)
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I'm not sure what happens to the grid order on a session restart. It might get randomised.
Race restart puts cars in the grid spot the car is listed in the entry.ini I am pretty sure. Same without anyone not registering a time so on my server if there are 20 cars in the ini on restarts cars will end up all over the place on a smaller field. Im not sure what happens if someone has car 1 slot 1 but doesnt register a time yet, quite likely this makes them start from the pits but I have seen cars get pole simply by not running a lap even if others have. I havent taken heaps of notice of it but have seen me start in places I didnt qualify in quite a bit so will try and actually take note of it if it is a bug.
It would be good if cars were placed simply in the next empty slot if they dont set a time, but that may be too simple a solution for KS atm. ;D
I was fairly well back in the grid for both races last night, so had a good view of what was going on
into turns 1 2 & 3 and I must say I was very impressed with how we all handled it. I reckon we're
getting better every race as we get used to larger grids. ;)
Starts were pretty good much better then most starts on my server when it was public, especially when one guy had no interest in the corner only taking me out 3 starts in a row. ???
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I think we have all matured quite a bit and if the front runners control their breaking it could probably work out alright...
Still... exciting always ;D
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Quite surprised as I have ran a couple quick races on my server in this combo and so far not a single first race incident, all you need to do is not crash into the car ahead or beside. Simple in theory but no need to come in there all hot and locked up first lap as you likely wont even make the corner, just tuck in for a tow down the straight and then crash into them at the next chicane. ;D
I did knock nearly a second of my PB with a bit more time there as the lap was far from perfect, same setup on hards was quite skatey in the early laps though and will be very sketchy with low grip and heavy fuel I think.
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I got a 'checksum mismatch. Kicked' on the practice server? Is that the plan?
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I got a 'checksum mismatch. Kicked' on the practice server? Is that the plan?
Yea all part of the plan, only way we can beat you without Ballast. But seriously I get the odd mismatch first attempt on a server and get booted then next attempt it works.
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I got a 'checksum mismatch. Kicked' on the practice server? Is that the plan?
Yea all part of the plan, only way we can beat you without Ballast. But seriously I get the odd mismatch first attempt on a server and get booted then next attempt it works.
My checksums are still refusing to match no mater how many attempts. I'm not sure if I've seen anyone on there tbh.
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I'll check it out.
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All good now. Some of the track data on the server (used to check checksums) hadn't been updated.
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I've been experimenting with tire wear. I've set the practice server to 3x tire wear, and I'll leave it this way in the race, just to spice things up a bit. With the hard tires, they were still only at 98% after 13 laps, so they're very long wearing anyway.
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I've been experimenting with tire wear. I've set the practice server to 3x tire wear, and I'll leave it this way in the race, just to spice things up a bit. With the hard tires, they were still only at 98% after 13 laps, so they're very long wearing anyway.
So the softs will be good just for the outlap, and mediums will get around to t1 of the flying lap ;) Normal wear I found softs were good for 4 laps and mediums 4 1/2 I dont think wear makes much difference to the hards as you say. It pretty much just means the other 2 tyre options are even more useless then they are.
I would personally prefer regular wear then some people could try race on the softer tyres but find out they are shot by lap 5/6 ;D I dont think it will make much of a difference forcing all to use hards now. Except maybe hards will be needed for qualy or people do very slow outlaps that will just be a hazard for everyone else on a hotlap in qualy.
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Yeah, I just tried a hot lap and my tyres were down to 96% before the end of the first proper lap! It pretty much makes the softs and the mediums redundant even for qualifying.
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Maybe do a slower out lap and then a quicker hot lap, I reckon I will still get 2 hot laps out of softs. Going to give it a run tonight, should make the race far more interesting on 3X, looking forward to it. Good idea.
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Yeah, hards will be the go for sure, even for qualifying. I want the races to get a little more "interesting" in the later stages. Even at 98% you don't really notice a heap of difference. I might even see if 4x is more noticeable.
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At first I thought it would be a bad idea, but you're right - by the end of the race the field has spread out a fair amount often making it less interesting. Having the option to blast through the pack (while burning up your rubber) or holding back and making a move later on provides some realism too :D
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Exactly, having to conserve your rubber is whole new strategic element.
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Here is my telemetry for a recent lap Wally - 1.51.1
Thought you may want to do one of those awesome telemetry analysis again :)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3n9m8bg8yneodm/Tatuus%20Monza.nkt
Also, I'm fairly settled on my setup now if anyone wants to try. If it's a bit tailey then try decreasing the rear ARB to 0.
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Here is my telemetry for a recent lap Wally - 1.51.1
Thought you may want to do one of those awesome telemetry analysis again :)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3n9m8bg8yneodm/Tatuus%20Monza.nkt (https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3n9m8bg8yneodm/Tatuus%20Monza.nkt)
Also, I'm fairly settled on my setup now if anyone wants to try. If it's a bit tailey then try decreasing the rear ARB to 0.
Once again, Guybrush is green; I am red.
(http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w549/WallyMasterson/Chicane1_zps78135927.png)
This is the first chicane, where I immediately lose 0.6 seconds. Guybrush brakes 10m later and stays on the throttle for 25m longer. My brake pressure is up and down like a yoyo as I modulate the brake, while Guybrush manages to hold a nice steady 75%. I take the chicane in 1st, Guybrush takes it in 2nd. I give a squirt of full throttle mid chicane; Guybrush gives 60%. Then Guybrush is back on full throttle 20m before me. Guybrush actually had a bit of oversteer exiting the chicane. You can see in the throttle trace where he had to back off the throttle and give it some opposite steering. He could have got a better exit, so he could have been even faster. Yay.
(http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w549/WallyMasterson/Chicane2_zps8689ad07.png) I lost about 0.3 in the second chicane. Again, Guybrush gets off the brake earlier entering the chicane, and gets onto full throttle earlier, both in the middle part of the chicane and on exit, and again, he takes it in a higher gear than me – I take it in 2nd, he takes it in 3rd. I carry a little too much speed into the entry (because I’m braking less, and end up understeering on entry). The biggest speed difference is because he gets on the throttle earlier than me, both mid-chicane and on exit. Again, GB is a little oversteery on exit.
The first Lesmo, GB takes it flat, whereas I brake a bit on entry. We both take it in 4th. As usual GB brakes later and gets on the throttle earlier.
He has a little bit of oversteer leaving the second Lesmo.
Last chicane (Ascari), again, GB brakes much later and gets on full throttle much earlier.
You can already guess the story at Parabolica… GB brakes later and powers on earlier.
If I can see anything, GB, it's that your setup may be a little oversteery. You could get a little bit quicker if you can dial out some of that oversteer.
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What's your lap there, Wally?
I've managed a 53.3 after a few laps with a modded guy setup (raised it by 2cm again against sudden death, added a bit of fuel and straightened the rear toe-out, it was bugging me a bit, hehe - oh and set the brake a bit towards the rear.) But all in all I think I could potentially do better with this set. Still, I dunno where I'm effing up. Here's my telemetry if you want to analyse me :)
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54.5.
I'll take a look at your telemetry a little later.
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What's your lap there, Wally?
I've managed a 53.3 after a few laps with a modded guy setup (raised it by 2cm again against sudden death, added a bit of fuel and straightened the rear toe-out, it was bugging me a bit, hehe - oh and set the brake a bit towards the rear.) But all in all I think I could potentially do better with this set. Still, I dunno where I'm effing up. Here's my telemetry if you want to analyse me :)
Actually, this is the wrong file. It's a TC file instead of an NKT file.
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Here is my telemetry for a recent lap Wally - 1.51.1
Thought you may want to do one of those awesome telemetry analysis again :)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3n9m8bg8yneodm/Tatuus%20Monza.nkt
Also, I'm fairly settled on my setup now if anyone wants to try. If it's a bit tailey then try decreasing the rear ARB to 0.
Is there a link to the uber setup . . . :)
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Here is my telemetry for a recent lap Wally - 1.51.1
Thought you may want to do one of those awesome telemetry analysis again :)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3n9m8bg8yneodm/Tatuus%20Monza.nkt
Also, I'm fairly settled on my setup now if anyone wants to try. If it's a bit tailey then try decreasing the rear ARB to 0.
Is there a link to the uber setup . . . :)
First post in the "setups" thread in the forum.
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Wally..
At the end of the day.
we want to see where Guybrush is cutting.
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Seeing I dont think I will be running softs in this race at all here is my Telemetry for a 7 lap race on hards, Last lap was low 1:52 and the last few laps were all in the 52s or close to.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/oh1l3en7wft5nmx/Marty+7+lap+race+hards.rar
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It would have been nice to some how leave the softs and mediums as they are and be able to adjust hard wear rate only. I am also interested to see where the three tires cross over for grip, ie softs at 92% is equal to optimal hard grip and where exactly does this leave the mediums.
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I reckon that softs at about 97% is equivalent to the hards in terms of lap time.
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As always I struggle for pace on the softs as my best lap on softs is 1:51.8 and best on hards is 1:51.9 :) so not being able to use softs isnt something I will miss too much.
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TIRE WEAR SETTINGS
I've been testing this morning, and I found that the hard tire wear drops off rapidly at about 96, but then won't go below 90. If all of your tires are at 90 (i.e. still balanced), the car is quite drivable. But the rears wear faster (especially the left rear) - so you can find yourself at 97 front and 90 rear, which is a spinfest.
So here's what I'll do:
I'll have tire wear set to 5x for RACE 2 ONLY, to simulate an enduro with greasy tires at the end of a long stint. If you look after your rears, that will still be quite manageable on hards. It should make the race interesting, especially in the closing laps.
If you want to test this yourself, you can edit Documents\Assetto Corsa\cfg\assists.ini and set TYRE_WEAR=5.
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What's your lap there, Wally?
I've managed a 53.3 after a few laps with a modded guy setup (raised it by 2cm again against sudden death, added a bit of fuel and straightened the rear toe-out, it was bugging me a bit, hehe - oh and set the brake a bit towards the rear.) But all in all I think I could potentially do better with this set. Still, I dunno where I'm effing up. Here's my telemetry if you want to analyse me :)
Actually, this is the wrong file. It's a TC file instead of an NKT file.
ops. I thought that the telemetry will be in the folder that says telemetry. :)
I've found this one in the "aim" folder, I guess this is it:
http://ysumail.com/ac/telemetry_dump.rar
Altho I can see the results already..."Guy brakes later, carries more speed and gets on the throttle earlier" LOL.
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Will you be making the practice server 5x tyre wear Wally?
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I've been testing this morning, and I found that the hard tire wear drops off rapidly at about 96, but then won't go below 90. If all of your tires are at 90 (i.e. still balanced), the car is quite drivable. But the rears wear faster (especially the left rear) - so you can find yourself at 97 front and 90 rear, which is a spinfest.
So here's what I'll do:
I'll have tire wear set to 5x for RACE 2 ONLY, to simulate an enduro with greasy tires at the end of a long stint. If you look after your rears, that will still be quite manageable on hards. It should make the race interesting, especially in the closing laps.
If you want to test this yourself, you can edit Documents\Assetto Corsa\cfg\assists.ini and set TYRE_WEAR=5.
I did notice that with tye wear, if the wear balance front to rear is a bit off then your going to have lots of trouble. One good thing I noticed with my setup is very even wear but still when running softs by accident over 7 laps I had issues locking rears into parabolica but this was more due to them overheating. The hards dont overheat but I will put up my server tonight with very short qualy and 14 laps race and 5x wear to give it a try.
Seeing that will be the rule for race 2, pit stops should be a dq as doing a 1 stop race on hards would likely be much quicker over 14 laps then grinding out the last half on worn tyres.
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Will you be making the practice server 5x tyre wear Wally?
Yep, it's already got 5x wear on it.
Seeing that will be the rule for race 2, pit stops should be a dq as doing a 1 stop race on hards would likely be much quicker over 14 laps then grinding out the last half on worn tyres.
Yep, you already can't pit because it buggers up the race standings and results.
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I just ran a couple race stints on the server, had no issues running much the same pace all race and my wear was quite even just playing with brake balance through the stint a little. Finished on 97% which I get to after about 5 or 6 laps then it just stays there for me. I could still set a session best on the last lap and could get into the 1:52's easy enough most of the race if I was to push a little harder but ran low 53's from lap 2 to 14 only a couple mistakes here and there that cost a few more tenths.
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I just ran a couple race stints on the server, had no issues running much the same pace all race and my wear was quite even just playing with brake balance through the stint a little. Finished on 97% which I get to after about 5 or 6 laps then it just stays there for me. I could still set a session best on the last lap and could get into the 1:52's easy enough most of the race if I was to push a little harder but ran low 53's from lap 2 to 14 only a couple mistakes here and there that cost a few more tenths.
You sure it was on 5x wear? That would be the equivalent of running 70 laps for only 97%?
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I just ran a couple race stints on the server, had no issues running much the same pace all race and my wear was quite even just playing with brake balance through the stint a little. Finished on 97% which I get to after about 5 or 6 laps then it just stays there for me. I could still set a session best on the last lap and could get into the 1:52's easy enough most of the race if I was to push a little harder but ran low 53's from lap 2 to 14 only a couple mistakes here and there that cost a few more tenths.
You sure it was on 5x wear? That would be the equivalent of running 70 laps for only 97%?
and how much cutting did he do?
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You sure it was on 5x wear? That would be the equivalent of running 70 laps for only 97%?
Will you be making the practice server 5x tyre wear Wally?
Yep, it's already got 5x wear on it.
Was on the xgn server so I assume so and hards dropped off way more then they did in our 7 lap race by lap 7.
I will try again this time hooking up teathering my phones optus 4g connection will see how stabke and how much bandwidth it uses. Seeing Dodo has died yet again, I tried calling them to inform them I am going to churn and cancel the contract for a service they havent held up their side of the deal on. Tried calling but they dont answer the phone so just wrote them a nice email lol.
Still no NBN here even though they have a major warehouse within a few hundred meters of my house lol. No plans for this area over the next 5 years either so naked dsl is my best bet. Internode looks ok anyone have experiance with them or a recommendation, dont need a phone line at all and only need a good quality connection with large dl limits.
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Internode used to be the best, they're now managed by iinet so you can go with either, you get pretty much the same. Still not bad.
I'm with 'node for many years now, and I've no complaints, I've tested their support a number of times, and they're always helpful and the phone is answered by technically able people, not monkeys (like it is at TPG, Telstra, Optus, etc...)
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Still no NBN here even though they have a major warehouse within a few hundred meters of my house lol. No plans for this area over the next 5 years either so naked dsl is my best bet. Internode looks ok anyone have experiance with them or a recommendation, dont need a phone line at all and only need a good quality connection with large dl limits.
Been with iinet (bought out internode) for quite a few years... they are pretty good and I've always been happy with them. Always tried to be naked (phoneline - mind out of the gutter :P) with them, but my last move I had to get a phone number as well as net access.
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The Formula Abarth hard tires are very durable, from what I've read. In real life, one set can last several races. They will stay at 97 for some time, then go down to 90 more rapidly.
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I was pretty shocked to hear you where with Dodo Marty.
I thought everyone knew Dodo are the worst ISP in Australia.
http://www.ozbroadbandreview.com/company.php?id=16
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I was pretty shocked to hear you where with Dodo Marty.
I thought everyone knew Dodo are the worst ISP in Australia.
http://www.ozbroadbandreview.com/company.php?id=16
I was with IINET a while back but had issues with them, then used netspace wh9 were bought by IINET and then got Dodo maybe a year ago and had no issues. The last 2 weeks have gone from bad to worse and so I am done with them. IINET doesnt do naked here for some reason but I can with internode so its all strange.
Re tyre wear I tried to push a little harder and still ended with 97 % front and rear, they start to wear at around lap 6 for me and go fairly quickly from 99% to 97% and then stay there. I havent tried guybrush's setup but I can see his car running more camber and also quite likely toe so that will eat tyres quite a bit.
Teathering with optus 4g used hardly any data well under 10MB while runnnng about 20 laps on the server with a ping of 45 but I was on track on my own. I think I will need to use that option tomorrow nite as I doubt my connection will stay up with the ADSL connection. Still strange how it was running better then any other connection I had in the past for nearlg 1 year then turned to crap so bad recently. Since mp came into AC my pings were always about 37 on the amazon servers but its just started to float til it no longer connects at all.
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I have put up my server with a short qualy and 14 lap race with dynamic track and 5x tyre wear if anyone wants to try to see how that will all work out.
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FYI race 2 is 13 laps, not 14.
If you spin badly and light up the rears when they are already at 97, it rapidly sends them towards 90.
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What's your lap there, Wally?
I've managed a 53.3 after a few laps with a modded guy setup (raised it by 2cm again against sudden death, added a bit of fuel and straightened the rear toe-out, it was bugging me a bit, hehe - oh and set the brake a bit towards the rear.) But all in all I think I could potentially do better with this set. Still, I dunno where I'm effing up. Here's my telemetry if you want to analyse me :)
Actually, this is the wrong file. It's a TC file instead of an NKT file.
ops. I thought that the telemetry will be in the folder that says telemetry. :)
I've found this one in the "aim" folder, I guess this is it:
http://ysumail.com/ac/telemetry_dump.rar (http://ysumail.com/ac/telemetry_dump.rar)
Altho I can see the results already..."Guy brakes later, carries more speed and gets on the throttle earlier" LOL.
Not far off in your summary, Bird :)
First chicane… GB brakes 10m later, stays on the throttle 10m longer, gets on the throttle 22m earlier, about 0.3 secs lost. Pretty similar inputs though.
Second chicane, same story, 0.35 lost. Again, the input traces are very similar in shape, GB is just on full throttle longer on entry and sooner on exit.
Second Lesmo (Turn 5), Bird goes full brake on entry, GB only applies 50% brake (and for shorter time). Bird lifts off the throttle a bit on exit; GB holds the throttle flat on exit. 0.3 secs lost.
Ascari (T7), GB brakes later, and more lightly (80% as opposed to Bird’s 100%). Bird got on the throttle momentarily too early on exit and had to lift a little, GB puts power on a little later, but can then hold it. GB coasts deeper into the complex, until he can put the power down without lifting (which is always great driving style). 0.35 lost.
Parabolica, GB brakes later and less hard, but Bird actually gets on the throttle earlier, and yet, 0.3 lost, mostly because GB holds more speed throughout the corner.
GB’s strength is late breaking, not to 100% brake, and getting on the power only when he can hold it flat. It’s just great driving style, although his setup must really help him do that.
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Seeing I dont think I will be running softs in this race at all here is my Telemetry for a 7 lap race on hards, Last lap was low 1:52 and the last few laps were all in the 52s or close to.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/oh1l3en7wft5nmx/Marty+7+lap+race+hards.rar (http://www.mediafire.com/download/oh1l3en7wft5nmx/Marty+7+lap+race+hards.rar)
Marty actually arrives at the first chicane 5 kph faster than GB, but loses about 0.2 secs coming out. You know the drill… GB brake/off throttle later on entry. Marty oversteered a bit on exit and had to lift. But very similar to GB.
Second chicane, 0.15 lost. Braking is similar, but Marty lifts off the throttle earlier. Very similar, but GB gets quite a spurt of full throttle mid chicane (where Marty only has a little 85% application) which picks up some mid-chicane speed. Marty takes it in 2nd; GB takes it in 3rd.
0.4 lost through the two Lesmos. You already know why.
Ascari chicane, 0.35 lost. You already know why.
Parabolica 0.15 lost. You already know why.
Again the lesson is - if you want to be as fast as Guybrush, brake later, get on full throttle earlier. But Marty's telemetry is closest to GB's in "shape".
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Im running quite a bit less aero then guy so sacrificing some cornering speed to be able to pass easily others down the straights and that data you have was done on the hard tyres for me vs softs ib Guys lap. He can easily do low 1:51's on softs and I struggle to get under 1:52 which is the same as I can do on the hards. Maybe my soft tyres are wrong on my Tatuus or something as the only difference between softs mediums and hards is how long they last with less then .2 between my best on all 3 tyres.
I can just about hang on to guy for a lap or 2 racing if hes busy eating sausage rolls or something. I also just found my throttle spiking so will need to clean that out as my telemetry was spiking like crazy. If I stay in his draft I can be a nuisance for a fw laps but a tiny mistake of mine then he just pulls away.
We did do a 5x wear 14 lap race sim with grip starting at 97% and he was pulling away about .5 per lap on me nearly every lap, my throttle was spiking a little but still my pace was still quite a bit off him and we both finished with the same wear by the end of the race.
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Again the lesson is - if you want to be as fast as Guybrush, brake later, get on full throttle earlier. But Marty's telemetry is closest to GB's in "shape".
Sounds simple but . .. if I brake any later I overshoot, get on the gas earlier I slide, and I'm in the 1.55's. >:(
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Again the lesson is - if you want to be as fast as Guybrush, brake later, get on full throttle earlier. But Marty's telemetry is closest to GB's in "shape".
Sounds simple but . .. if I brake any later I overshoot, get on the gas earlier I slide, and I'm in the 1.55's. >:(
Its a lot to do with line commitment and precision, then making a setup to maximize this or altering the line whichever gives a better result. You also need to be able to do this consistantly and thats quick guys from very quick guys.
I have followed guy enough and know his lines but using my setup approach I cant do the same but just hope to pass him at the end of the straights, I havent tried his setup here but figured id try something different as I cant beat him doing it his way. Still I think if we both have a clean race I will be a bit behind him but there may be a few of us battling for the minor positions and this track can really be fun in a good close battle.
Looking at Guys RSR and also racing him a bit he is running more aero then most faster times his top speed 230kmh most others are 235+, kind of my preferred red bull type setup but I have gone the other way this roung. Still the guys running even higher top speeds then me are nearly a second quicker so I am always just a little slow.
Would guy be quicker with a more traditional aero setup for monza? who knows but there are some pretty big names there on RSR he is mixing with and I dont think there is much more time there and it shows you can run a similar pace with very low and low aero setups, one of the main things I like about AC is exactly that. Its a shame Darren isnt here as they may have had some good battles in these cars but as is I dont think anyone quite has the pace to beat him over a longer distance fairly.
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Again the lesson is - if you want to be as fast as Guybrush, brake later, get on full throttle earlier. But Marty's telemetry is closest to GB's in "shape".
Sounds simple but . .. if I brake any later I overshoot, get on the gas earlier I slide, and I'm in the 1.55's. >:(
I'd prioritize a better exit over later braking. I'm sure Wally's telemetry magic would back this up that you might gain a tenth or so by braking a little later but by the time you get to the next corner a better exit could save you two or three tenths, especially at a place like Monza where there is so far between corners.
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Again the lesson is - if you want to be as fast as Guybrush, brake later, get on full throttle earlier. But Marty's telemetry is closest to GB's in "shape".
Sounds simple but . .. if I brake any later I overshoot, get on the gas earlier I slide, and I'm in the 1.55's. >:(
Would guy be quicker with a more traditional aero setup for monza? who knows but there are some pretty big names there on RSR he is mixing with and I dont think there is much more time there and it shows you can run a similar pace with very low and low aero setups, one of the main things I like about AC is exactly that. Its a shame Darren isnt here as they may have had some good battles in these cars but as is I dont think anyone quite has the pace to beat him over a longer distance fairly.
I wondered the same Marty, but I was on WR pace by about a tenth before I stuffed up every corner from the second Lesbo onwards! I haven't really tried a lower downforce setup properly but might give it a shot.
With soft v hards I'm wondering whether you just can't lean on the softs as much without having the aero to do so? Also, if you are running a lot more front downforce than rear do you feel you can really throw it into corners? That's where the softs hold the advantage for me.
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Again the lesson is - if you want to be as fast as Guybrush, brake later, get on full throttle earlier. But Marty's telemetry is closest to GB's in "shape".
Sounds simple but . .. if I brake any later I overshoot, get on the gas earlier I slide, and I'm in the 1.55's. >:(
I'd prioritize a better exit over later braking. I'm sure Wally's telemetry magic would back this up that you might gain a tenth or so by braking a little later but by the time you get to the next corner a better exit could save you two or three tenths, especially at a place like Monza where there is so far between corners.
I think the telemetry shows the opposite. There seems to be a big lap time differential almost immediately after the corner, not at the end of the next straight. You make up a lot of time close to the corners, which I would say is due mainly to the later braking. I'm curious now... I'll take a closer look.
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Again the lesson is - if you want to be as fast as Guybrush, brake later, get on full throttle earlier. But Marty's telemetry is closest to GB's in "shape".
Sounds simple but . .. if I brake any later I overshoot, get on the gas earlier I slide, and I'm in the 1.55's. >:(
I'd prioritize a better exit over later braking. I'm sure Wally's telemetry magic would back this up that you might gain a tenth or so by braking a little later but by the time you get to the next corner a better exit could save you two or three tenths, especially at a place like Monza where there is so far between corners.
I think the telemetry shows the opposite. There seems to be a big lap time differential almost immediately after the corner, not at the end of the next straight. You make up a lot of time close to the corners, which I would say is due mainly to the later braking. I'm curious now... I'll take a closer look.
Yep, the rate of time improvement should decrease as you get quicker due to acceleration dropping off and speeds "bunching up", but overall it should show a better exit as more advantageous?
It's probably difficult to tell unless you have the same driver running the same setup and making minor adjustments to their line...
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Again the lesson is - if you want to be as fast as Guybrush, brake later, get on full throttle earlier. But Marty's telemetry is closest to GB's in "shape".
Sounds simple but . .. if I brake any later I overshoot, get on the gas earlier I slide, and I'm in the 1.55's. >:(
Would guy be quicker with a more traditional aero setup for monza? who knows but there are some pretty big names there on RSR he is mixing with and I dont think there is much more time there and it shows you can run a similar pace with very low and low aero setups, one of the main things I like about AC is exactly that. Its a shame Darren isnt here as they may have had some good battles in these cars but as is I dont think anyone quite has the pace to beat him over a longer distance fairly.
I wondered the same Marty, but I was on WR pace by about a tenth before I stuffed up every corner from the second Lesbo onwards! I haven't really tried a lower downforce setup properly but might give it a shot.
With soft v hards I'm wondering whether you just can't lean on the softs as much without having the aero to do so? Also, if you are running a lot more front downforce than rear do you feel you can really throw it into corners? That's where the softs hold the advantage for me.
The low rear aero at the rear is for the the speed on the straights playing around with front wing between 1 and 3 with similar times possible either way for me. Too low at the front and it just doesnt turn into the lesbo's too well but the other corners arent too bad. Ascari Im not pushing too much but either front wing setting can work there with similar speeds. Front wing at 1 is a little understeery on entry into the faster corners but more neutral mid corner where front wing at 3 turns in well but then gets a little loose mid corner it also loses a few kmh down the straight.
Im leaning towards running 2 and 0 the first and second chicanes are quite slow so aero has no effect on them. Parabolica is a tricky one and I generally dont push to the limits leaving a bit too much room on exit, overdoing it there running 1 wheel in the grass is never a good result but also if my brake balance is a bjt too rearward and I brake a little late the rear lets go on me there.
You are getting much more out of the softs then I can but its not just here its been the same for me on every track in these cars. Its a little trickier to get the same speed out of the hards but I can do it yet I can seek to find any more pace in the softs. I have barely run softs anyway just the odd qualy lap so that could have something to do with it too as I have been mostly working on a race setup.
I cant see me getting pole and as long as I can start in the first couple rows its good enough for me. Its better then pitlane but maybe I can get Mops pitlane start like one of our practice races where he got going before the start lights even lit up lol.
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Its better then pitlane but maybe I can get Mops pitlane start like one of our practice races where he got going before the start lights even lit up lol.
that was gold! This is going to be a very crappy race for me, done heaps of practice and getting nowhere...
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This one is gold 2 :)
...it just doesnt turn into the lesbo's too well ...
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Server is UP.
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Server is UP.
excellent. I plan on getting it right tonight with Lesbo's 1&2
I was cumming into Lesbo 1 too fast last night.
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LOL
So we can expect lots of crashes there due to lack of concentration?
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If he's cumming into Lesbo1 too quick, he'll be too busy looking for a ciggy when Lesbo2 arrives. 8)
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If he's cumming into Lesbo1 too quick, he'll be too busy looking for a ciggy when Lesbo2 arrives. 8)
Ciggy? pfft I'm asleep by lesbo 2
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Speaking of Lesbos.
My checksums are mismatching again when I try to log in.
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Speaking of Lesbos.
My checksums are mismatching again when I try to log in.
Weird, there must have been an update to the track since we last raced there. I'll check it in a minute.
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I just tried and it does say Checksum missmatch kicked once I get in too. Though it was just Dicks hacks which must be dodgy anyway but doesnt seem so. Must be Wally's hacks that we dont all have ;D
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I just tried and it does say Checksum missmatch kicked once I get in too. Though it was just Dicks hacks which must be dodgy anyway but doesnt seem so. Must be Wally's hacks that we dont all have ;D
we are all sulking on the practice server
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OK, just restarted the race server.
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Race Results (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/s2r4-formula-abarth-at-monza.html)
Season Standings (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/season-2-standings.html)
Season Statistics (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnDaDoQGyFTddEZVTzRoZ0ZOR3NtNnNjcl8xVGpPSUE&usp=sharing#gid=34)
Congratulations to Guybrush on the race wins as well as the round win.
Round Points
Guybrush Threepwood 50
Marty 46
Wally 43
StanDaam 43
Freezer 38
cramjet 37
Bacchulum 32
Rob 32
Glen73 31
Ysu 29
Crimespree 29
Rolz 23
Gratulin 23
Dave O 22
Vipergod 21
Grubbet 18
Imperious 16
Insomniac 15
GWyar 10
Dick Forrest 8
Mopz 0
The championship top 3 is now:
1. Marty 136
2. Wally 130
3. Guybrush 126
Achilles Heels have taken the team lead from TKO Racing after a dominant performance here.
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I qualified with a PB on softs, because I'd been doing all my practice on hards.
Race 1 was entertaining. After a clean run through the first chicane, I put a bit of early pressure on Glen73, and a small mistake from him let me past. Then I was chasing Bird, giving my teammate a respectable amount of room, but he had a spin or an off. I had a good bit of cat and mouse with StanDaam, a bit of slipstreaming, gaining position and giving it back which was good side by side racing (playing chicken into the first chicane was great). Eventually he made a little mistake and I was past and pulling away, but then I touched a kerb (Lesmo 2, I think it was) and let Stan and Rob back past. Set off again chasing them, and Rob had a spin, but I couldn't catch Stan, drafting him down the straight to the finish to be 0.37 secs behind him. That was a fun race.
Race 2, again a clean start through the chicane, chasing Marty and Guybrush who eventually disappeared into the distance. It ended up being a pretty lonely race, staying in 3rd the whole way, with no mistakes but no pressure.
Well done to the Achilles Heels guys on a dominant performance.
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Thanks for the results, Wally!
I've had a shocking 1st race. After my 3rd mistake I just gave up watching and made another 3 or so.
The 2nd race was somewhat tainted by the low frame rate that has kicked in right at the start of the race. It was very annoying to drive at ~30fps I tells ya. But it somehow kept me on my toes a bit more. Still, the inevitable mistake came. But at least it wasn't that bad. Had a few good battles to keep me awake.
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As usual it was a great laugh with you all!
Monza, any mistakes are amplified by it's long straights. I'm not sure if there was much dicing going on? or where we all kinda spread out?
I totally lucked out in the 1st race. Got caught up in a prang in Parabolica, Gratulin might feel responsible but he's not. Racing is. That's just how it goes. Gotta take these things on the chin and get back out there. Would have been better story if he took me out between the two lesbos.
That's where I got stuck though lol. Bottomed out in the sand trap. so if I was going to get out of my car and rage-point at anyone it would be Guybrush for his 'lower than the ground' set-ups. ;) Too soon?
Having to sit out the rest of the race is a bummer but that will be fixed sooner or later.
I was looking forward to putting points on the board for CramDick Racing but mehh. What can ya do.
2nd race stayed on the black stuff mostly. cut the 1st chicane to avoid cars. not sure if I gained any position but stuff yas! I'm away..
Don't know what position i was in. ended up choking under pressure from Rob through the Parabolica and into the sand where I ran into GW and he then got bogged.. So i got revenge for race 1 on someone! lols sorry GW!
ended up 19th.
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First race I qualified 11th or so and worked my way through the field (thanks to some wrecks up front) up to 7th. Even back in the pack things spread out quite quickly which made for a safe but uninteresting race.
Second race I somehow qualified 4th. I don't seem to lose much pace in a low grip environment (probably because there's none to begin with) but fell back to 7th in the opening laps. I was definitively outclassed that far up! Managed to hold on for 6th though so not a bad result :D
I know it's more pronounced at Monza but that just felt like a hot lapping session. I'm looking forward to the handicapped cars next season which will definitely tighten things up. I liked Marty's suggestion of an exo's for Dick - is that a team order?
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My races turned out as I expected as I just didnt have the pace to match Guybrush, found this out whioe we ran a few practice races during the week and we also ran a 5x wear 14 lapper where the same happened. He is just too quick and makes less mistakes then me. Race 1 he made a small mistake in the second chicane on lap 1 so I had a half chance but couldnt pull it off. Then just saw those behind me getting closer as we slowed eachother down running side by side so I figured id hold back on making moves early. I thought if I could hang then try something when there was a larger gap to those behind. No chance of that as Guys car just got a little smaller every lap. ;D
Race 2 I tried pushing a bit more but still trying to avoid kerbs for the most part much less then id use for qualy. I never even had a sniff as Guy put in some very quick laps early and then the gap just kept slowly growing. I kind of hoped he may have wear issues but the gap was already out quite a bit by lap 10 so he would have needed a wheel to come off for me to catch him. It was pretty much a hotlap session as I tried to stay close enough so Guy knew an off would cost him the lead but it wasnt anywhere near enough pressure for him.
I think it would have been quite fun as a reverse grid race but seems like other then those that had incidents most held their grid spots in the races. Next season should be quite fun as trying a few of the slower cars I had fun chasing down some of the quicker cars and it should really even out the racing a bit.
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First race I grabbed guybrush set (awesome setup mate) and with 15 minutes remaining in practise shaved 2 seconds off my previous best to hit a 54,, would not have been hard to do as I only did a half hour practice. In qualifying managed a 53.4 which was pretty good considering, but I only just touched the surface of what this setup was capable of, with time against me into race one I went in 5th place on the grid.
Made an error on a corner exit which Wally was happy to take advantage of, then somehow Freezer and I came together after I over took him. In my mirrors I thought I was clear as I could see his whole car in side mirror and went to assume a normal racing line on corner entry but he ended up clipping my right rear. Spun out but came home in 8th.
Race two qualified 8th and finished 11th. Messed up a few times all by myself, at one stage completely missed a brake marker, poor Rob probably thought I was racing for sheep stations but I wasn't, just a brain fade.....
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Race 1 totally forgot about cold hards and 97% grip and went into Parabolica flat out. Would have been alright if it affected just me but I also took out nearly everyone on my tail! Apologies. But lesson learned. Again :(
Race 2 I was more careful. Had a couple of tight battles which were pretty entertaining - hope my close driving is getting better. There were a couple of clips with other cars while fighting for corners. I think they were just racing incidents but appreciate any feedback if not.
Very enjoyable yet again. Great series.
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Qual: After not getting close in practice I managed to crack the 1.53 for a pb and 7th.
R1: Got away cleanly with everyone seeming to get through T1 without major incident which was good. I ran a bit higher downforce than most which meant I could only hold the gap on the straights but it was good under brakes particularly and a bit more stable in the bends. I managed to get a run on Glen into T1. He then got a run on me into the second chicane but unfortunately came back across to early and hit the front of my car and we both went into the fence. Luckily only dropped two spots and got going. From there I just focused on keeping it clean and with a few others having incidents managed to get home 5th.
Q2: Not nearly as quick but still hung on to 7th.
R2: A few bumps this time into T1 but we got through. In the mid race I was very gradually catching Cramjet, but unfortunately when I did I tagged his rear under brakes. Thankfully he hung on to it and we got going again and he very generously let me through. Probably had my worst lap all night on the last with Ysu catching, having traded places the previous lap, I missed the entry to Ascari and straight lined all three parts of that section letting Ysu past in the process. Dragged it home in 7th.
Medium tyres held in well in R1 setting my quickest lap on the 2nd last, but had to try hards for the first time in R2 given all the talk of 5x wear. They felt good with about 0.5sec time loss per lap. Possibly the higher down force helped the wear.
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Shit forgot it was tuesday yesterday........ :-\
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Shit forgot it was tuesday yesterday........ :-\
for my first season sim racing (here with AC in the BMW's) I actually locked in a calendar reminder... sad I know but it also stopped the fiance from trying to get me to go to stuff... "Ah sorry babes, busy that night!"
average night last night... pulled a PB in qual that I was stoked with over .5sec better, bummer RSR was playing up for me and didn't register it...
Monza is just too unforgiving for me... I still make too many mistakes and like DF said it just wastes you in any time or anything because of the long straights... I think I also suck at the slow hard S bends... Monza, Imola especially... just more racing time I think...
Still as always a pleasure racing with you gents ;D
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Shit forgot it was tuesday yesterday........ :-\
and tomorrow will be Thursday . . . ;D ;D ;D