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Title: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 08, 2016, 10:13:07 PM
RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2016/03/s10r7-gt3-at-spa.html) (also includes contact report)

No penalties.

An observation about the race 2 start: Simone hit the side of Christopheraser because Simone didn't stay on his side of the track at T1, moving across to the left of the track.

Round Points
 
Guybrush Threepwood1275
75
162
Matthew1111563
63
141
Phil.81053
53
116
Bird445
45
94
Paul838
27
73
Freezer324
38
65
Marty230
24
56
StanDaam018
30
48
Grat627
12
45
Wally121
21
43
Jeremy515
14
34
Bacchulum014
18
32
Mael012
15
27
Bafs17011
11
22
Rob08
9
17
Simone09
8
17
christopheraser05
6
11
Ben06
0
6
Gratulin03
0
3
Flattop01
0
1
AJ00
0
0
Chap11100
0
0
Dave O00
0
0
Doobs00
0
0
Fozzy00
0
0
Grubbet00
0
0
Jake00
0
0
Joe00
0
0
Rolz00
0
0
Will00
0
0

Congratulations to Guybrush on the race wins and the overall round win.

Season Podium
1. Guybrush, 909
2. Marty, 716
3. Matthew, 655
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on March 08, 2016, 10:34:08 PM
There didn't seem to be any first corner incidents so that's a start!
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: paul_wallace on March 08, 2016, 10:42:44 PM
Good race tonight :) both Bird and Freezer managed to get me the same way on the same corner :) damn GTR's. Heaps of people had good pace today, I couldn't match a lot of you.

As for race 2, I gave Marty a small tap at an awkward moment which gave him a PLP penalty warning, even though he would have had no choice nor was it really a cut, more of a going wide into some astroturf, losing time if anything. If that was the cause for his 10 second penalty I would be ok with me taking the penalty instead or switching our finishing positions. Doesn't seem right if he gets penalised for my mistake :)
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on March 08, 2016, 10:44:38 PM
I think everything went fine with the starts. That is good.

Unfortunately the grat-jeremy epic continues. :( I am really sorry for Jeremy in race 1. I think he hit the curb inside blanchimont and slowed down, but the strange thing is that I did what I could to avoid hitting him and I was sure I did, as there was no contact on my screen (I mean, damages). But his car moves exactly as if I hit him (mine goes absolutely straight). From my replay, there is surely no contact... I don't know: really strange.

I can post a link to my replay if some of you wants to see if it is a ping issue or whatever else (and if I find my  usb-drive)
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on March 08, 2016, 11:02:31 PM
And indeed the contact report shows a contact for Jeremy but not one for me (see also race results tables). This is strange. So in some cases only one of the cars has a contact?
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 08, 2016, 11:04:59 PM
As for race 2, I gave Marty a small tap at an awkward moment which gave him a PLP penalty warning, even though he would have had no choice nor was it really a cut, more of a going wide into some astroturf, losing time if anything. If that was the cause for his 10 second penalty I would be ok with me taking the penalty instead or switching our finishing positions. Doesn't seem right if he gets penalised for my mistake :)

I looked at that in the replay, and yes, that was not Marty's fault so I have reversed the 10 second penalty. I've updated the season standings, but not the race results. Marty actually finished 8th now in race 2.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on March 08, 2016, 11:09:05 PM
And here is the replay file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ggvdt043ndkb3jh/RACE1-GT3-SPA?dl=0
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 08, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
I think everything went fine with the starts. That is good.

Unfortunately the grat-jeremy epic continues. :( I am really sorry for Jeremy in race 1. I think he hit the curb inside blanchimont and slowed down, but the strange thing is that I did what I could to avoid hitting him and I was sure I did, as there was no contact on my screen (I mean, damages). But his car moves exactly as if I hit him (mine goes absolutely straight). From my replay, there is surely no contact... I don't know: really strange.

I can post a link to my replay if some of you wants to see if it is a ping issue or whatever else (and if I find my  usb-drive)
I looked at that too (the new contact report makes these things easy to find now).
In race 1, it looked like Grat just ran straight into the back of Jeremy.
In race 2, I saw it that Grat and Jeremy both came out of the final corner side by side, by Jeremy didn't leave enough racing room to his right, and squeezed across into Grat, spinning him.

The contact reports in the server logs are mysterious. All they really tell you is where an incident happened and between who - then you have to look at the replay to see what really happened.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on March 08, 2016, 11:17:54 PM
I think everything went fine with the starts. That is good.

Unfortunately the grat-jeremy epic continues. :( I am really sorry for Jeremy in race 1. I think he hit the curb inside blanchimont and slowed down, but the strange thing is that I did what I could to avoid hitting him and I was sure I did, as there was no contact on my screen (I mean, damages). But his car moves exactly as if I hit him (mine goes absolutely straight). From my replay, there is surely no contact... I don't know: really strange.

I can post a link to my replay if some of you wants to see if it is a ping issue or whatever else (and if I find my  usb-drive)
I looked at that too (the new contact report makes these things easy to find now).
In race 1, it looked like Grat just ran straight into the back of Jeremy.
In race 2, I saw it that Grat and Jeremy both came out of the final corner side by side, by Jeremy didn't leave enough racing room to his right, and squeezed across into Grat, spinning him.

The contact reports in the server logs are mysterious. All they really tell you is where an incident happened and between who - then you have to look at the replay to see what really happened.

Thanks Wally. But please have a look at my replay. That is how I can see, and I manage to avoid him completely. I am on my line at Blanchimont (which for me is flat out no matter what) and he slows down because he touches the inside curb. At that point I lift and brake and swerve to the right. I looked at it from all corners and slowed down to 12x. There is absolutely no contact and my car does not react whatsoever to any contact. I am not making a polemic here of any sort, of course. I just want to understand if what is going on is that the code for contacts being local, small differences in ping can make so that one local run sees a contact while the other does not (and hence the differences in the contacts log explained!)

I am sure that if we compare my replay and Jeremy's one, they will look different. There will be clearly a contact in his one and clearly no contact in my one. That is why each local run decides different things!
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on March 08, 2016, 11:17:59 PM
Does the season standings mean I can't lose the season from here no matter how many people I ram off the road?
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 08, 2016, 11:18:53 PM
My races were good. Clean. I have trouble getting the Nissan of the line though. I always bog down badly and lose a few spots straight off the line.

In race 1, I ended up between Freezer and Stan, very slowly closing the gap on Freezer, but I would have needed about 30 more laps to catch him.

Race 2 was again pretty uneventful, finishing between Marty and Bacchulum. I managed to undercut Bacchulum on my pit stop somehow, pitting one lap before him.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 08, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
I think everything went fine with the starts. That is good.

Unfortunately the grat-jeremy epic continues. :( I am really sorry for Jeremy in race 1. I think he hit the curb inside blanchimont and slowed down, but the strange thing is that I did what I could to avoid hitting him and I was sure I did, as there was no contact on my screen (I mean, damages). But his car moves exactly as if I hit him (mine goes absolutely straight). From my replay, there is surely no contact... I don't know: really strange.

I can post a link to my replay if some of you wants to see if it is a ping issue or whatever else (and if I find my  usb-drive)
I looked at that too (the new contact report makes these things easy to find now).
In race 1, it looked like Grat just ran straight into the back of Jeremy.
In race 2, I saw it that Grat and Jeremy both came out of the final corner side by side, by Jeremy didn't leave enough racing room to his right, and squeezed across into Grat, spinning him.

The contact reports in the server logs are mysterious. All they really tell you is where an incident happened and between who - then you have to look at the replay to see what really happened.

Thanks Wally. But please have a look at my replay. That is how I can see, and I manage to avoid him completely. I am on my line at Blanchimont (which for me is flat out no matter what) and he slows down because he touches the inside curb. At that point I lift and brake and swerve to the right. I looked at it from all corners and slowed down to 12x. There is absolutely no contact and my car does not react whatsoever to any contact. I am not making a polemic here of any sort, of course. I just want to understand if what is going on is that the code for contacts being local, small differences in ping can make so that one local run sees a contact while the other does not (and hence the differences in the contacts log explained!)

I am sure that if we compare my replay and Jeremy's one, they will look different. There will be clearly a contact in his one and clearly no contact in my one. That is why each local run decides different things!

Yes, it would be interesting to compare the replays. I can't do it now. In my replay, it looked like you just ran into the back of him. Maybe Marty can do a comparison video :)
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 08, 2016, 11:22:09 PM
Does the season standings mean I can't lose the season from here no matter how many people I ram off the road?
Hmmmm.... 165 points on offer for Marty, none for you and a whole lot of 8 pt penalties.... not sure. It would be close :)
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: grat on March 09, 2016, 12:17:00 AM
RACE REPORT:

Quali: was not a clean lap, trying to figure out whether the grip was raising, but it was not a slow lap. 5th sounded pretty good.

Race 1: had a very good start, but remained a bit clogged behind Phil at La Source and had to give way to Freezer entering Eau Rouge. This also meant I had to concede to Bird getting into Les Combes. Result: lost 3 positions. It looked I was a bit faster then the two ahead of me, but had no chances at making a pass, so I tried an undercut at lap 5. Bad idea: came out just behind Jeremy, who was not someone I could pass either. Then the famous crash/non-crash happened (see my other posts). Managed to get a decent rhythm through the traffic, but at this point I had lost another position to Marty. Fortunately I was able to chase and pass Freezer (probably damaged) before my tyres went crap around lap 12 and finished the race trying to match Marty ahead of me (with some success). Ended up in a more than decent 7th position.

Race 2: clean start, and this time I play a bit tougher with Freezer and I don't concede him Les Combes, keeping my 7th position. But I am a bit slow coming out of Campus and he takes me with a spectacular pass at Blanchimont. Man: we really risked there! Had to touch the brake and made it mostly sideways. Anyway: great pass and very good racing. Unfortunately this also meant I was not fast entering Bus Stop and had to defend from Jeremy. I have no replay, but I guess exiting Bus Stop he could not manage to keep it all to the left and we touched and spinned against the wall. The rest of the race was a messy chase with cuts and my wheel finally giving up to the heat and cutting force feedback to like 10% (I hope there is no permanent damage...). I managed to get those 10 seconds I needed ahead of Bafs for 13th.

Marty: if you can do your magics with the replays of race 1 we might discover something interesting about collisions in multiplayer. I think it all boils down to the two PCs disagreeing a little bit about actual positions of the cars. Thank you!
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bird on March 09, 2016, 09:10:22 AM
Grat, it's a given that two computers time-separated will see a different reality. :)  That's why a really good netcode is really important in these games.

I can report a very happy evening for myself, the two 4th positions were better than I dared to hope for. 

Quali did not go too well, I've lost 3 laps due to cuts, the only remaining wasn't the hottest (it was a second slower than my fastest race lap in R1!)
but it was enough for a 7th position start.

R1 I had some great battles & close & clean racing. 

R2 I was interestingly very fast early on (comparatively speaking) and managed to stick to the top guys, however, after the pit I met Simone and in that little tangle I've lost enough that I was nowhere near anymore.  And with that it seems my concentration has gone out the window as well.    Plus I think the Nissan was actually quite good in slippery conditions here - not *that* good when the grip went up.   

Still, 4th is very good in this strong field :)
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 09, 2016, 10:18:16 AM
Grat, it's a given that two computers time-separated will see a different reality. :)  That's why a really good netcode is really important in these games.

I can report a very happy evening for myself, the two 4th positions were better than I dared to hope for. 

Quali did not go too well, I've lost 3 laps due to cuts, the only remaining wasn't the hottest (it was a second slower than my fastest race lap in R1!)
but it was enough for a 7th position start.

R1 I had some great battles & close & clean racing. 

R2 I was interestingly very fast early on (comparatively speaking) and managed to stick to the top guys, however, after the pit I met Simone and in that little tangle I've lost enough that I was nowhere near anymore.  And with that it seems my concentration has gone out the window as well.    Plus I think the Nissan was actually quite good in slippery conditions here - not *that* good when the grip went up.   

Still, 4th is very good in this strong field :)

You had very good speed in the Nissan, a couple of seconds on the rest of us. I ended up using a little more TC to make the car more predictable powering out of corners - about 2/12.

I was also finding a bit of a bog down between 1st and second gears, coming out of the final bus stop corner.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bird on March 09, 2016, 10:30:25 AM
You had very good speed in the Nissan, a couple of seconds on the rest of us. I ended up using a little more TC to make the car more predictable powering out of corners - about 2/12.

I was also finding a bit of a bog down between 1st and second gears, coming out of the final bus stop corner.
Thanks. Yeah, it's very hard to get the gearing perfect.  We need the low 1st to be able to start, and I found that a lower 2nd mostly just burns the rubber anyway.  It was still protesting at lower revs in 2nd if you were not going completely straight.

I've found that to be able to go fast, I need to brake a bit earlier, and power through the corner.  It's not quite my usual driving style, but in this car that's the only thing that works, it seems.   And to get it completely working, you need the rear to play along - hence I used TC4-6 (I did my 2:22's at 100% grip on TC 8 )  You need not fear it, unless you do something really nasty (like flooring in while doing an S) it won't completely go around.  It's surprisingly easy to manage.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bird on March 09, 2016, 10:56:17 AM
Oh, and btw  big grats to Simone on the clean sweep of consistency!  That's impressive.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Freezer on March 09, 2016, 11:13:38 AM
Grat, it's a given that two computers time-separated will see a different reality. :)  That's why a really good netcode is really important in these games.

I can report a very happy evening for myself, the two 4th positions were better than I dared to hope for. 

Quali did not go too well, I've lost 3 laps due to cuts, the only remaining wasn't the hottest (it was a second slower than my fastest race lap in R1!)
but it was enough for a 7th position start.

R1 I had some great battles & close & clean racing. 

R2 I was interestingly very fast early on (comparatively speaking) and managed to stick to the top guys, however, after the pit I met Simone and in that little tangle I've lost enough that I was nowhere near anymore.  And with that it seems my concentration has gone out the window as well.    Plus I think the Nissan was actually quite good in slippery conditions here - not *that* good when the grip went up.   

Still, 4th is very good in this strong field :)

You had very good speed in the Nissan, a couple of seconds on the rest of us. I ended up using a little more TC to make the car more predictable powering out of corners - about 2/12.

I was also finding a bit of a bog down between 1st and second gears, coming out of the final bus stop corner.
I lowered 2nd to 6th down a bit in the gearing and used full traction control.  Gets off the line well with full throttle.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 09, 2016, 11:15:03 AM
You had very good speed in the Nissan, a couple of seconds on the rest of us. I ended up using a little more TC to make the car more predictable powering out of corners - about 2/12.

I was also finding a bit of a bog down between 1st and second gears, coming out of the final bus stop corner.
Thanks. Yeah, it's very hard to get the gearing perfect.  We need the low 1st to be able to start, and I found that a lower 2nd mostly just burns the rubber anyway.  It was still protesting at lower revs in 2nd if you were not going completely straight.

I've found that to be able to go fast, I need to brake a bit earlier, and power through the corner.  It's not quite my usual driving style, but in this car that's the only thing that works, it seems.   And to get it completely working, you need the rear to play along - hence I used TC4-6 (I did my 2:22's at 100% grip on TC 8 )  You need not fear it, unless you do something really nasty (like flooring in while doing an S) it won't completely go around.  It's surprisingly easy to manage.
Yeah, braking early is good advice. I am always entering too fast and fighting understeer.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Freezer on March 09, 2016, 11:23:28 AM
Race Report.
Not my greatest qualifying but managed 8th.
R1:  Got a good jump and snuck around the outside of Bird at T1, then got the left side run on Grat down to Eau Rouge.  Managed to get by Jeremy but then after the pits I came out behind Bird who had pitted a lap earlier.  For some reason I was slow in the second half of this race with both Marty and Grat getting passed on the Kemmel Straight but after that managed to hang on for 8th.
R2:  I changed both roll bars one click each direction prior to the race and this helped a lot as the I was able to really get on the power through the corners and the speed showed, taking 2 sec on my r1 best.
The start was clean, then I was able to get a great pass on Grat around the outside at Blanchimont (thanks to Grat, we kept it clean).  From their I followed the synchronised Lambo's of Paul and Marty.  Every time I got a run on them up Kemmel they were spread across the track and I had no where to go.  With Paul giving marty a little tap later on I was able to get passed him and then they both pitted.
I again ran one lap longer and this time came out behind Paul again. But after many laps of pushing I managed to get him into T1.
From there it was the run home with Stan right behind.  I was intent on keeping him there so pushed hard and managed to hold on for 5th.

All up a great nights racing.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bird on March 09, 2016, 11:32:52 AM
Oh, Freezer, you realise that your overtake was essentially illegal between T1 and T2 in Race 1? You are supposed to keep to your side of the track :D

Well done, nonetheless!  You had great pace early on.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 09, 2016, 12:43:32 PM
Freezer, "I changed both roll bars one click each direction". What does that mean? One click each direction means you didn't change them ;)
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Freezer on March 09, 2016, 01:05:07 PM
Freezer, "I changed both roll bars one click each direction". What does that mean? One click each direction means you didn't change them ;)
I mean I softened the front and stiffened the rear.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Freezer on March 09, 2016, 01:11:44 PM
Oh, Freezer, you realise that your overtake was essentially illegal between T1 and T2 in Race 1? You are supposed to keep to your side of the track :D

Well done, nonetheless!  You had great pace early on.
I started on the left, passed you on the left and passed Grat on the left . . . :)
and thank you..
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bird on March 09, 2016, 01:50:27 PM
Oh, Freezer, you realise that your overtake was essentially illegal between T1 and T2 in Race 1? You are supposed to keep to your side of the track :D

Well done, nonetheless!  You had great pace early on.
I started on the left, passed you on the left and passed Grat on the left . . . :)
and thank you..
Bugger, so no penalty in sight! :D
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on March 09, 2016, 01:52:42 PM
Qual went OK for me.  I was never going to get near Matthew.  I probably could have shaved off another couple of tenths but not enough to take P1.  I was actually pretty happy with P2 as I thought the Lambo's would be in front.

Race 1 I got a good start and managed t sneak around the outside of Matthew at T1.  From there I was fully expecting him to zip past on the Kemmel straight but he was obviously running a bit more rear wing and I was able to hold him off.  From there it was pretty tight for the next few laps.  I thought that I would pit early rather than risk being undercut as if I came out behind anyone it would have been impossible to overtake, where as if I come out in front and catch me later in the race at least I have a chance to defend.  Had a good pitstop and made up a bit of time with Matthew appearing around 5 seconds behind me.  He whittled away the gap right to the end and it was touch and go for a while as to whether I thought I would have to do some defending.  A good race with some nice pressure.

Race 2 I got a good start and Matthew seemed to bog down so that helped.  With the increase in temp I think it helped my lap times as I seemed to be pulling away from those behind for most of the race.  It also helped that Phil and Matthew had a ding dong battle and probably cost each other a bit of time.  When I pitted I came out behind Bacchulum and had a bit of fun with him before getting past, but that was all the action I came across.  Fun all the same though.

Thanks for another great night guys!
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 09, 2016, 02:06:45 PM
I struggled for pace in this combo all along, possibly due to the random pedal spikes as I at times put in a reasonable lap then would struggle to match that for no explainable reasons. I didnt do much practice but ran a couple laps in the prac server before the race nite an put in a reasonable lap on softs but then for reasons I couldnt understand was losing 1 to 2 seconds per lap with better track conditions.

Qualy I was well off pace and well down on my delta, was trying to squeeze pace out over driving and went invalid on all my soft laps so qualified mid pack. Race 1 still struggling for pace I had a reasonable race just making up a few positions but was well off my practice times.

Race 2 I tried some changes to the setup and this just made the car more understeery early and so I made cuts on exits as the car understeered much more then it had before. I was on 3 cuts after 2 laps then my issue became clear as the throttle started to really spike and I was way down on power. At this point I had a few behind and gaining quick with Paul and Freezer, I was randomly losing power but still running a normal line so must have been a bit frustrating for them. I considered pitting early but doing that last week was a pretty big fail at the end and so decided to hang around. Eventually being the slow car ahead I got a nudge from Paul that sent me off track and also gave me a 10 second penalty so I was quite clos to just calling it a day.

I stayed out and just churned out crappy laps to the end barely needing 6th gear due to the pedal really dying on me as the race went on. I didnt really want to take apart the pedals so just added a deadzone before the race but seems that wasnt enough. Still was kind of fun mid pack but got rather frustrating with the random power loss that got worse and worse as the nite went on.

Congrats to the Winners and those around me that did quite well not to hit me more often as it cant be easy following a car that may randomly lose power at any point during a lap.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: trackmeister on March 09, 2016, 04:14:56 PM
Started out this race fantastic!
Best qualify ever of 11th with fastest time on the night.
No incidents and did not interfere with anyone's race - yay!
Then - ran out of fuel somehow. I am thinking on qual as I do the outlap it doesn't calculate fuel usage correct to race pace. I am sure I matched the fuel to laps and ran out about lap 10. 
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bird on March 09, 2016, 04:42:58 PM
The fuel calculation did some funny things on this track; for me, occasionally it has gone completely out of whack in qualify.
If you did not test fuel, best to ask someone in the same car and add 10L to their estimate ;)
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 09, 2016, 04:43:40 PM
Started out this race fantastic!
Best qualify ever of 11th with fastest time on the night.
No incidents and did not interfere with anyone's race - yay!
Then - ran out of fuel somehow. I am thinking on qual as I do the outlap it doesn't calculate fuel usage correct to race pace. I am sure I matched the fuel to laps and ran out about lap 10.

You have to be very careful with the fuel usage the game reports. It can be very wrong in MP. It's best to get a feel for the fuel usage offline, remembering that online it's going to be 2.5 x fuel next week at Barcelona.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on March 09, 2016, 05:37:51 PM
I struggled for pace in this combo all along, possibly due to the random pedal spikes as I at times put in a reasonable lap then would struggle to match that for no explainable reasons. I didnt do much practice but ran a couple laps in the prac server before the race nite an put in a reasonable lap on softs but then for reasons I couldnt understand was losing 1 to 2 seconds per lap with better track conditions.

Qualy I was well off pace and well down on my delta, was trying to squeeze pace out over driving and went invalid on all my soft laps so qualified mid pack. Race 1 still struggling for pace I had a reasonable race just making up a few positions but was well off my practice times.

Race 2 I tried some changes to the setup and this just made the car more understeery early and so I made cuts on exits as the car understeered much more then it had before. I was on 3 cuts after 2 laps then my issue became clear as the throttle started to really spike and I was way down on power. At this point I had a few behind and gaining quick with Paul and Freezer, I was randomly losing power but still running a normal line so must have been a bit frustrating for them. I considered pitting early but doing that last week was a pretty big fail at the end and so decided to hang around. Eventually being the slow car ahead I got a nudge from Paul that sent me off track and also gave me a 10 second penalty so I was quite clos to just calling it a day.

I stayed out and just churned out crappy laps to the end barely needing 6th gear due to the pedal really dying on me as the race went on. I didnt really want to take apart the pedals so just added a deadzone before the race but seems that wasnt enough. Still was kind of fun mid pack but got rather frustrating with the random power loss that got worse and worse as the nite went on.

Congrats to the Winners and those around me that did quite well not to hit me more often as it cant be easy following a car that may randomly lose power at any point during a lap.

Ah, now you feel my pain of days gone!  Seriously, just swap the clutch and throttle over.  Get some pointy nose pliers and you're good to go!

Good to see you didn't rage quite Marty.  It takes some fortitude to hang in there after both a throttle issue and being tapped off.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Bruce on March 09, 2016, 06:28:49 PM
besides being 15seconds slower, I just couldn't keep going, even race one.... at least I didn't get in the way :)
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Matthew111 on March 09, 2016, 06:44:08 PM
Qualy: Was very happy with my lap for pole couldnt get any more out of it, made up for my nurburg qual lol

Race1: I find it hard getting the lambo off the line so i lost the drag into t1 to gb and slotted in behind him, I felt pretty comfortable with the car and decided to be patient behind gb in the early laps but then he pitted early and must of got a good outlap on the fresh rubber and came out 5 secs ahead of me which i wasnt planning on lol so i pushed like mad with phil on my tail to close the gap but just didnt have enough laps to catch gb. Was a great pressure race worked up quite a sweat, well done gb :)

Race2: Forgot about the lambos launching difficulties and bogged it badly so i was on the defence straight away and had phil grab me into t1 but i managed to get him back down the long straight to claim 2nd back and saw gb had bolted amoungst all that. For whatever reason the car didnt feel as sharp so the first stint i couldnt touch gb especially while trying to keep phil at bay. Pitted a lap earlier than last time to get some kind of undercut for myself lol but made things difficult at the back end of the race with my tyres feeling it and then having to fend off phil with a lot of understeer for the last 3 laps lol made for a great finish once again :)
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Simone on March 09, 2016, 07:30:40 PM
Not a very good night but i would be a liar if i would tell you i did not have fun.These day i work a lot in the field,in the sun,in the rain,in the wind,mosquitos,march flies your friends,all this shared with 4 french fooocking back packers....hard yakka!!
.........ahahahahahahahahha actually can`t remember the race very well,i only remember bird completely foook me from behind approaching les combes S.......fuck you bird!!!!!!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D I love you Istvan,see you next week!!
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Wally on March 09, 2016, 07:55:10 PM
LOL, you're beautiful Simone.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 09, 2016, 08:01:01 PM
Ah, now you feel my pain of days gone!  Seriously, just swap the clutch and throttle over.  Get some pointy nose pliers and you're good to go!

Good to see you didn't rage quite Marty.  It takes some fortitude to hang in there after both a throttle issue and being tapped off.

I did have a look at the pedals in the control setup and seems that both the throttle and clutch are spiking, I had a deadzone that should have covered the throttle spike range but clutch was spiking at random so this would be more like a random clutch slip and so not sure if changing clutch to throttle will fix my issues.

I tend to mostly drive H-pattern cars outside of the league stuff and so probably use clutch more then I do the brake, I will give the pots a clean and ensure enough deadzone is on both pedals. This kind of explains why I was losing speed but it didnt really seem like throttle spiking as probably most of it was clutch related.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: StanDaam on March 09, 2016, 08:26:44 PM
Best write up ever Simone!!! 😀
My night was pretty good. Had some tight racing with Wally in race 1. Then had a good battle with Paul n Freezer in race 2. Good times!!!  :P
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Freezer on March 09, 2016, 08:28:29 PM
Ah, now you feel my pain of days gone!  Seriously, just swap the clutch and throttle over.  Get some pointy nose pliers and you're good to go!

Good to see you didn't rage quite Marty.  It takes some fortitude to hang in there after both a throttle issue and being tapped off.

I did have a look at the pedals in the control setup and seems that both the throttle and clutch are spiking, I had a deadzone that should have covered the throttle spike range but clutch was spiking at random so this would be more like a random clutch slip and so not sure if changing clutch to throttle will fix my issues.

I tend to mostly drive H-pattern cars outside of the league stuff and so probably use clutch more then I do the brake, I will give the pots a clean and ensure enough deadzone is on both pedals. This kind of explains why I was losing speed but it didnt really seem like throttle spiking as probably most of it was clutch related.

Gumtree - this wheel is in the box and supposedly used only a few times $200 (its at Ryde)
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/ryde/other-electronics-computers/logitech-g27-racing-steering-wheel-excellent-condition-/1104847099 (http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/ryde/other-electronics-computers/logitech-g27-racing-steering-wheel-excellent-condition-/1104847099)
I grabbed a similar g27 when my old g25 was spiking like yours.  best money I've spent.
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: Gratulin on March 09, 2016, 08:46:47 PM

...shared with 4 french fooocking back packers...
My head is spinning with all the WRONG imagery...how am I going to sleep tonight....
Title: Re: S10R7: Spa Post-Race Chat
Post by: marty on March 09, 2016, 08:50:16 PM
shared with 4 french fooocking back packers....hard yakka!!completely foook me from behind

Not sure what goes on at the farm, or what happened in your race.  ;D
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