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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on June 21, 2016, 10:10:21 PM
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RACE RESULTS (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2016/06/s12r3-ferrari-vs-lotus-at-misano.html)
Penalties: Race 2, lap 1: Matthew ran into the side of Jeremy on turn 2 when he moved towards the apex, not keeping to his side of the track. 80 kg ballast penalty in race 2 next round.
Round Points
| Name | Qual | Race 1 | Race 2 | Bonus | Total |
| Marty | 10 | 38 | 40 | 1 | 89 |
| Matthew111 | 9 | 40 | 34 | | 83 |
| Phil.8 | 7 | 34 | 38 | 1 | 80 |
| Bacchulum | 6 | 32 | 36 | | 74 |
| hylas | 5 | 30 | 32 | | 67 |
| Jeremy | 8 | 36 | 16 | | 60 |
| Freezer | 1 | 28 | 30 | | 59 |
| Chap111 | 4 | 26 | 28 | | 58 |
| Wally | 2 | 24 | 26 | | 52 |
| Mael | 3 | 16 | 24 | | 43 |
| Rob | 0 | 18 | 22 | | 40 |
| Bafs17 | 0 | 20 | 18 | | 38 |
| Vipergod | 0 | 22 | 14 | | 36 |
| Doobs | 0 | 14 | 20 | | 34 |
| AJ | 0 | 12 | 0 | | 12 |
Congratulations to Marty on the round win, and Matthew and Marty on the individual race wins.
Season Podium
Marty consolidates his lead, and Phil moves into 3rd place:
1. Marty, 181
2. Mathew111, 168
3. Phil.8, 159
For the first time this season, Marty didn't post the fastest race lap, with Phil.8 setting the fastest lap in his Ferrari in race 2, a 1:36.063.
There's also a few rivalries appearing. Unsuprisingly, Chap has become my rival. I spent a good amount of time following him around this round.
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Any conciliatory bonus points for hitting the immovable cones? ;D
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Any conciliatory bonus points for hitting the immovable cones? ;D
Where were they?!?!?
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Any conciliatory bonus points for hitting the immovable cones? ;D
Where were they?!?!?
They were just after turn 3, the ones at the 2nd last corner was normal. I tested them also. Just doing my duty as a back-marker to test all trackside objects.
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No practice on a track I haven't seen for a long while so spent about an hour before the race just doing laps to familiarise.
Couldn't quite get it together in qual. Low fuel made the car pretty twitchy so started 10th.
R1 Despite a slowish jump I grabbed two spots on the first lap and pushed on. Aiming to pit after 11 laps I realised about 7 laps in that fuel would be a bit to tight so eased off a bit. This allowed Chap11 to close in and we pitted together. I overshot my box a bit and he came out in front. Now with plenty of fuel I was able to pit the foot down and eventually managed to grab the spot back after some hard fought laps and get home 7th.
R2 Better start this time and with some spinners in the first turns I benefited and jumped to 4th. Couldn't quite keep with the front guys. A few laps later I managed to spin myself onto the infield before T4. Sliding out of control across the grass I was sure I was going to collect a few cars as I reentered but stopped back on track with about an inch to spare. Ran with Bafs and Hylas for a few laps but once Bafs spun I spent the rest of the race lapping on my own.
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I hadnt noticed any cones but I guess I was trying to stay on the black stuff. ;D
Qualy was a fun battle as I got some traffic on a couple laps and there were a few quick laps put in by others. On my last lap I knew I needed to put in a pretty solid lap to get Matthew and just snuck it in on a clear track for pole.
Race 1 Jeremy got an awesome start from 3rd and got me around the outside from t1 finishing it out of t3. From there I just tried to chase him down but he didnt give me any good looks really. About lap 6 he went wide at 3 and lost the rear going for a bit of a half spin inside 4. I wasnt sure where he was but then his car slid back across the track. I had to take evasive action to avoid contact and this let matthew past us both.
From there I tried again to Pass Jeremy and it never looked like happening. I decided to pit 1 lap sooner then planned if they stayed out and try to get an undercut. I put in a 100% commited outlap and was glad to see only Matthew was ahead next lap so I managed to jump Jeremy on the stop.
I then tried all I could to pass Matthew but just like Jeremy he drove too well not really giving me a proper chance. In the end I pressed as hard as possible to end up .1 down at the finish.
Race 2 I got a reasonable start but had to go a little defensive to keep the boys behind in the first section. Unfortunatly I saw the guys get together behind and so had a bit of a gap early, I then just pushed on trying to make a gap. I was trying to get the fastest lap in the second stint and after a pretty good lap I had a big gearbox grind. This nearly ended my race with a few to go and so I pretty much cruised home trying to make it to the finish as I had about a 12 second gap with a couple to go it would have been silly to keep pushing kill the gearbox and DNF when I could cruise home for the win.
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I was around Freezer, Rob and Chap most of the night, with some good passing here and there - usually me being passed! I don't know why, but those guys often seemed to get a big burst of speed on me, maybe after small mistakes by me and not getting good corner exits. I'm sure Chap noticed how slippery my car looked at times. The ferrari is a handful - it seems to be very slippery, or maybe that's just my setup. It turns in OK, but then coasting through the corner, or with a fairly neutral throttle, it just wants to rotate too much by itself, without much throttle. It's a real balancing act. I might look at the Lotus for the remainder of the season - not sure yet.
But the night was a good one for me, with some loose moments, but no spins or crashes.
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Looking at the laptimes of the last 4 laps in race 1 both Matthew and I had laptimes quicker then we did in qualy.
Matthews last 4 laps 1:36.209, 1:36.122, 1:36.002, 1:36.348 with his qualy lap being 1:36.440 for 2nd.
My last 4 laps 1:35.872, 1:36.278, 1:35.834, 1:36.096 with my qualy time of 1:36.127 for pole.
At the end of all that the final gap was .145 which shows I put on as much pressure as possible but it still wasnt enough. Both Matthew and Jeremy drove a great race shame they had contact race 2 as it likely would have been real close again.
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It's good to hear you had close racing. The track would have been fully rubbered up by then too, compared to qually.
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The ferrari is a handful - it seems to be very slippery, or maybe that's just my setup. It turns in OK, but then coasting through the corner, or with a fairly neutral throttle, it just wants to rotate too much by itself, without much throttle. It's a real balancing act. I might look at the Lotus for the remainder of the season - not sure yet.
the ferrari was difficult here I thought, no matter what i did , i.e full downforce , low downforce, cambers , toe , dampers, the lap times were similar and just felt as had no turn in, mid corner or exit grip
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It's good to hear you had close racing. The track would have been fully rubbered up by then too, compared to qually.
It was a good battle, I had thought passing was going to be more possible but thats always been the issue with f1 cars. If drivers are closely matched and unless there is a long enough straight with a good draft it really isnt likely to pass unless the guy in front makes a mistake.
Spa will quite likely throw up quite a few more passing opportunities, Misano was a fun track to drive but lack of long straights made it tough to pass guys running a similar pace. The best place was the back straight and only once I had half a look there but had to back out as I was not quite far enough up to make it without contact or driving him off the road on exit.
With Jeremy I managed to get inside on the last turn side by side after he made an error exiting the second last but I couldnt finish that move either. Still it wasnt really like either of them were holding me up there was only a couple corners I needed to brake more when following. I dont know how much the aero was effecting following closely but I couldnt quite get close enough into apexes to get a run out of corners so possibly dirty air was doing enough to also make it hard to get into a passing position.
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The ferrari is a handful - it seems to be very slippery, or maybe that's just my setup. It turns in OK, but then coasting through the corner, or with a fairly neutral throttle, it just wants to rotate too much by itself, without much throttle. It's a real balancing act. I might look at the Lotus for the remainder of the season - not sure yet.
the ferrari was difficult here I thought, no matter what i did , i.e full downforce , low downforce, cambers , toe , dampers, the lap times were similar and just felt as had no turn in, mid corner or exit grip
You were still bloody fast!
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The ferrari is a handful - it seems to be very slippery, or maybe that's just my setup. It turns in OK, but then coasting through the corner, or with a fairly neutral throttle, it just wants to rotate too much by itself, without much throttle. It's a real balancing act. I might look at the Lotus for the remainder of the season - not sure yet.
the ferrari was difficult here I thought, no matter what i did , i.e full downforce , low downforce, cambers , toe , dampers, the lap times were similar and just felt as had no turn in, mid corner or exit grip
Even the lotus here higher or lower aero made pretty much the same laptimes. I ended up going max front and rear just for high speed aero balance to avoid any understeer. The higher aero also gave me more confidencr to push harder each lap and could avoid errors better so was likely quicker over a race due to better overall consistancy.
Spa will be interesting as there you can go high and low aero in most cars for much the same pace. But for racing it may be best to go low for extra speed to make passing a bit easier. Less aero sacrifices speed in the middle sector but its not really a place others will be able to pass and being faster on the straights will be a fair advantage over someone running higher aero if you can get similar laptimes.
Possibly the redbull higher aero option is still quickest as long as your out of draft range from those behind and leading. Back in traffic though youd want less aero which will be more of a handfull but should help to pass cars if needed.
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The thing with lower aero too is that you may sacrifice stability and safety. One bad spin might lose you all the time you gained with a little more speed.
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The ferrari is a handful - it seems to be very slippery, or maybe that's just my setup. It turns in OK, but then coasting through the corner, or with a fairly neutral throttle, it just wants to rotate too much by itself, without much throttle. It's a real balancing act. I might look at the Lotus for the remainder of the season - not sure yet.
That is definately how I got past you. Power down on the Lotus is pretty good.
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I should have made it a mandatory car swap ;)
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I should have made it a mandatory car swap ;)
Not sure if that would be best but if swaps were free I would change for something different, if anything I would have preferred race 2 this season to be some form of reverse grid. Maybe season order with top 10 reversed as the racing is much more interesting when not out front and there are quite a few guys with some good pace but if grid starts in qualy or season order then it tends to just stretch out the gaps over a race which is still challenging but if we were forced to battle it out from out of position I think it would have spiced up the racing a bit more.
Even in a future season it may be good to mix up shorter regular qualy races and some reverse grid format for race 2 either season reversed or previouse race reversed. I think season reversed is probably better as race 1 reversed can simply mean if a quicker guy has a poor race they will get donated a boring race and relatively easy win if starting out front.
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I was joking about the mandatory car swap :) It's better to give people the choice to make.
I liked the reverse grid format in the slower cars. In these cars, there could be more carnage, but reversing only the top 10 could work. The downside to that though is that the person in 10th gets a boost to pole, but 11th place misses out. I would still be tempted to try it in faster cars though (especially open wheelers that don't rub together so well).
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hmmm i dont understand how i got the pen i was pretty wide going through turn 2 when i got hit and jeremy was straight on the phone to me saying it was his bad and that his throttle pedal was sticking and thats why he ran into my side there, id like to see a replay of it.
Race 1 was a awesome race qually laps every lap was a great pressure race, got gifted when jeremy made a error and took the lead and managed to build a decent gap until the pit stop where i was way to cautious coming into the pits not knowing how it went. That was enough to get marty on my tail where we were nose to tail to the finish at a pretty quick pace.
race 2 was a anti climax, recovered for 4th and had a good like battle on the last lap with bach
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Here is a slow mo replay of the incident, to me I think a penalty may be a bit harsh but its not my call. Being team mates and also Matthew has only just squeezed Jeremy for room here at the point of contact. There wasnt exactly 1 car width to his left inside the line but Im fairly sure most peoples line there was a bit left of where Jeremy is and its actually more like Jeremy has straightened then Matthew turning into him more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp9e4nztJpI
If it was my call though I would say racing incident if the FIA managed to call this a racing incident. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAJXvJMYglc
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It was due to the rule of sticking to your side of the track in turns 1 and 2 to avoid exactly this kind of incident. Matthew was clearly moving from the right of track to the left, and didn't see Jeremy who was beside him.
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I remembered making a video last round but forgot to actually put it up anywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W757C0PpZE
Thats race 1 battling Jeremy and Matthew, Being the full race its a bit long lol but highlights would be the start where Jeremy got an amazing one and got me around the outside of t1.
I then tried to just stay close and started to attack after a few laps, I figured no need to have a collision early. At 8:40 Jeremy got a little wide then half spun towards the grass inside. I lost him then he came back across the track somehow I avoided contact but Matthew got us both and now I was behind 2 guys I couldnt pass.
I pitted 1 lap early at lap 16 to try and hopefully get an undercut on Jeremy at least, luckily this worked and I got ahead of him as he exited pit. Then I just chased down Matthew and put as much pressure as I could but he never gave a look. Last 4 laps especially were rather quick and close.
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Nice camera angle.
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Great reports.
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Different watching your own driving from behind, very different ways of driving the car there