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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on June 10, 2014, 10:54:42 PM
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Car Allocations, based on round 1 results
| Darren Marsh | 48 | Grp A |
| Ysu | 44 | Grp A |
| Glen73 | 43 | Grp A |
| Guybrush Threepwood | 43 | Grp A |
| BJSRacer | 41 | Grp A |
| Wally | 41 | Grp A |
| Simone | 33 | Grp A |
| Bacchulum | 31 | Grp A |
| Rob | 31 | Grp A |
| Butters | 28 | Grp A |
| cramjet | 28 | Grp A |
| Dave O | 26 | Grp A |
| Vipergod | 24 | DTM |
| Marty | 20 | DTM |
| Flattop | 17 | DTM |
| GWyar | 16 | DTM |
| Jestronix | 16 | DTM |
| Mopz | 14 | DTM |
| Phil | 14 | DTM |
| Freezer | 12 | DTM |
| Rolz | 9 | DTM |
| rooshooter | 9 | DTM |
| SpeedFreak | 9 | DTM |
| Dick Forrest | 4 | DTM |
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Here's a setup for my teammate, so no-one else take it! >:(
Or.....
is this the dud one meant to fool our competitors?????? :o
Now I have you all thinking. ;) 8) :P
Yeah, it's the dud one, ie. my real one, the best I can do. :P
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As posted earlier I cannot make this one
GO ROB (Can he have my car this week Wally ;D)
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Boy oh boy...I've updated my wheel firmware, installed new drivers, and installed my H-shifter (I really wanted to see how much fun it is!) I had to calibrate it, but now it works.
It's not fun as of yet :). I'm struggling to keep the car straight, mis-shifting all the time, crunching gears... so hats off to anyone who can do it.
Mind you, I used to drive manuals back in Europe on the right side, where the shifter is in the other hand! I prolly should install it on the right to get anywhere with it, hehe.
But in any case, it'd be very interesting racing if every one of us had one, and used it...I reckon the results would be very different!
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I got a shifter but I am not even thinking about it,,,but it would be great fun fo sure
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*sigh* relegated to DTM... guess it'll give me more of a fighting chance against all you top guys... plus have all week to pull my finger out and practice, practice, practice...
Here's a setup for my teammate, so no-one else take it! >:(
Or.....
is this the dud one meant to fool our competitors?????? :o
Now I have you all thinking. ;) 8) :P
Yeah, it's the dud one, ie. my real one, the best I can do. :P
Thanks mate will give it a go :)
Only found one other setup.ini and been playing with that... it did drop me down... I can see improvements, but will try urs tomorrow night... if the misso lets me jump on 3 nights in a row :-P
Mind you, I used to drive manuals back in Europe on the right side, where the shifter is in the other hand! I prolly should install it on the right to get anywhere with it, hehe.
lol yeah driving on the left hand side with my H shifter somewhere out the drivers door window :-P
2 things I want to bing up...
1 - Can we have a looping Qualification session over Practice? Just if I pull a sweet lap it doesn't get put up to AC Live Timing... I don't do many PB's so any opportunity to upload is desperately needed....
2 - I did some laps on the Practice tonight and my FPS dropped pretty low... down to sub30FPS at some points burning around...
I know a few had issues with all the cars out yesterday so it might pay to jump on and de-tune effects...
I disabled HDR (Even though it does looks real sweet with it on) and my FPS shot back up... 60fps in the heavy parts (pits) and 120fps as a top...
I do have 3 screens and push my res to 5760x1080
Just a heads up to test before race night.
ttyl
Rolz :)
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Yeah, good idea Rolz about the qualifying session. I can do that.
I've been using the H shifter. Its a lot more fun than the paddles. After the Ferrari 312T with an H shifter, the BMW is an absolute doddle. But for a bit of extra safety, I do turn on auto-blip.
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For this round, Gratulin will be taking Vipergod's place.
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I have never tried a manual tranny car in AC with anything but the shifter, its not too bad in these cars but was brutal in the 312T as I missed so many gears in that thing. Its quite fun in the DTM but I dont think the advantage will be as huge in a race as qualy as the DTM eats soft tyres in a few laps and so they will be useless for the race. I hope I can be close to Darren in the mediums but the softs should be nice for qualy and gearbox has more options so starts shouldnt be as bad. Qualy I think Im about 1.5 faster then in the grp A but will need to find a good race setup more then a qualy one for this car.
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I've put Gratulin in Vipergod's place in Team MRT. He'll score team points in Vipergod's place (in the Group A). Gratulin's also got a place on the practice server.
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1 - Can we have a looping Qualification session over Practice? Just if I pull a sweet lap it doesn't get put up to AC Live Timing... I don't do many PB's so any opportunity to upload is desperately needed....
The practice server is now up in Qualifying mode, so you can use the RSR live timing. It means I've also had to turn on the penalties if you put more than two wheels out of the track, so the app accepts the times.
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Are you guys using the clutch as well as a H-shifter?
I tried a few weeks ago, was a mess. The G27 h-shifter is a bit of a 'toy' Doesn't feel right, too easy to miss gears. I also find the peddles are too close together, well I was all feet.
I'm slow enough, so the manual venture lasted about 1 lap.
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You need to use it for quick upshifts and it can take a bit of practice to get the timing right, but you don't need to use it when downshifting. You can just blip or shift at lower revs.
I tried the G27 shifter but it kept jamming on the gate. I now have a clubsport SQ shifter which is a lot better, but most of the time I just use the paddles.
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You need to use it for quick upshifts and it can take a bit of practice to get the timing right, but you don't need to use it when downshifting. You can just blip or shift at lower revs.
I tried the G27 shifter but it kept jamming on the gate. I now have a clubsport SQ shifter which is a lot better, but most of the time I just use the paddles.
Still use the clutch with the paddles?
Most of you guys are using Fanatec stuff yeah?
Fanatec seems to be the way to go for next upgrade. but I gotta get a lot faster before I can justify it.
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You need to use it for quick upshifts and it can take a bit of practice to get the timing right, but you don't need to use it when downshifting. You can just blip or shift at lower revs.
I tried the G27 shifter but it kept jamming on the gate. I now have a clubsport SQ shifter which is a lot better, but most of the time I just use the paddles.
Still use the clutch with the paddles?
Most of you guys are using Fanatec stuff yeah?
Fanatec seems to be the way to go for next upgrade. but I gotta get a lot faster before I can justify it.
Greger Huttu was driving a Logitech DFP (driving force pro, really old ancestor of the DFGT) up to a couple of years ago.
And if you don't know who Greger is, just look at the world records of any sim - or simply research "alien sim racer" :D
I'm not saying it's wrong to update; it's great. But if you're good, you'll be good with nearly anything, as long as the equipment does what it needs to do, nothing fancy is required. But a lot of practice is necessary ;)
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You need to use it for quick upshifts and it can take a bit of practice to get the timing right, but you don't need to use it when downshifting. You can just blip or shift at lower revs.
I tried the G27 shifter but it kept jamming on the gate. I now have a clubsport SQ shifter which is a lot better, but most of the time I just use the paddles.
Still use the clutch with the paddles?
Most of you guys are using Fanatec stuff yeah?
Fanatec seems to be the way to go for next upgrade. but I gotta get a lot faster before I can justify it.
Greger Huttu was driving a Logitech DFP (driving force pro, really old ancestor of the DFGT) up to a couple of years ago.
And if you don't know who Greger is, just look at the world records of any sim - or simply research "alien sim racer" :D
I'm not saying it's wrong to update; it's great. But if you're good, you'll be good with nearly anything, as long as the equipment does what it needs to do, nothing fancy is required. But a lot of practice is necessary ;)
I would only update for more immersion. And I'm a total sucker for gadgets!!
Yes practice is what I need. I'm trying to do at the very least 20 laps a night. Usually a lot more than that... except last night, I did nothing and watched TV. (at least I was watching motorsport)
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I think having a "cockpit" is the most important thing after your controller of choice, and when I say "cockpit" i don't just mean the purpose built type pits either, but any setup where your ideal wheel/pedal/seating position is fixed and the same everytime you "strap in".
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I think having a "cockpit" is the most important thing after your controller of choice, and when I say "cockpit" i don't just mean the purpose built type pits either, but any setup where your ideal wheel/pedal/seating position is fixed and the same everytime you "strap in".
Yes! I have got a playseat. Pretty lame name for something that is quite strong and stable. Very comfortable. But unfortunately I have nowhere to put it permanently yet. My wheel is bolted to my desk which makes doing normal computer stuff a bit annoying. Peddles are bolted to a box as well. I can lean back nicely in my office chair. but not ideal.
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I think having a "cockpit" is the most important thing after your controller of choice, and when I say "cockpit" i don't just mean the purpose built type pits either, but any setup where your ideal wheel/pedal/seating position is fixed and the same everytime you "strap in".
Wish I had that, hehe.
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I think having a "cockpit" is the most important thing after your controller of choice, and when I say "cockpit" i don't just mean the purpose built type pits either, but any setup where your ideal wheel/pedal/seating position is fixed and the same everytime you "strap in".
Wish I had that, hehe.
I know what made me "feel" quicker, I miss mine. Speaking of quick, what's the lap time difference between GrpA and DTM?
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1.8 seconds between the WR's on RSR.
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Yeah man! I'm not sure what that equates to me; but I'm lovin' it :)
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You need to use it for quick upshifts and it can take a bit of practice to get the timing right, but you don't need to use it when downshifting. You can just blip or shift at lower revs.
That's how I've been shifting, H-pattern no aids, clutch up and blip down.
I didn't have much trouble with the 312T but I have driven that car a fair bit. ;D
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I haven't been using the clutch at all on up-shifts. Is it quicker using the clutch going up?
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I haven't been using the clutch at all on up-shifts. Is it quicker using the clutch going up?
Not really quicker just you can do quick shifts with less chance of a miss shift that way. You can shift just as quick without clutch but need to be more precise so it just gives a little margin for error and using th clutch doesnt make you much slower so its not a bad thing to do.
How does it work when using paddles for a manual car is there also auto blip and lift as with other semi auto boxes in game.
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Paddle/manual (I've auto-clutch off) : blip on downshifts, nothing on upshifts.
Btw when I was testing the H-shifter, I was doing lifts for upshifting. Should I rather flat-shift up with clutch maybe?
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Paddle/manual (I've auto-clutch off) : blip on downshifts, nothing on upshifts.
Btw when I was testing the H-shifter, I was doing lifts for upshifting. Should I rather flat-shift up with clutch maybe?
I'm flat upshifting with a dab of clutch.
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I'm not using clutch at all. Just paddle shifting.
Question...
Does the fancy shifting you guys are using cut seconds? or 100's of seconds off your lap times?
Is it something I should be learning to do this early in my SIM career?
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I'm not using clutch at all. Just paddle shifting.
Question...
Does the fancy shifting you guys are using cut seconds? or 100's of seconds off your lap times?
Is it something I should be learning to do this early in my SIM career?
No, it makes it harder and easier to make mistakes, if anything. I would stick to paddles and focus on braking and throttle - especially slow in and fast out lines.
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I'm not using clutch at all. Just paddle shifting.
Question...
Does the fancy shifting you guys are using cut seconds? or 100's of seconds off your lap times?
Is it something I should be learning to do this early in my SIM career?
No, it makes it harder and easier to make mistakes, if anything. I would stick to paddles and focus on braking and throttle - especially slow in and fast out lines.
So you're saying stupidly fast and hard on the breaks won't get me anywhere?? I do need to re-think my strategy. ;)
Let go back to the 1st chicane at Imola. Just cause it's still fresk in my brain.. How for out would you say you stop acceleration? Do you coast before applying breaks?
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Let go back to the 1st chicane at Imola. Just cause it's still fresk in my brain.. How for out would you say you stop acceleration? Do you coast before applying breaks?
No no no, never coast! It's either braking or accelerating, anything in between is lost time. I've started braking (for T1) just before the left-kink. Applied throttle slightly after the car has started turning in (small throttle) and increased it to full by the 2nd part (right-hander) apex. Or if/when I took too much curb, then afterwards - but that's time lost right there.
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Let go back to the 1st chicane at Imola. Just cause it's still fresk in my brain.. How for out would you say you stop acceleration? Do you coast before applying breaks?
No no no, never coast! It's either braking or accelerating, anything in between is lost time. I've started braking (for T1) just before the left-kink. Applied throttle slightly after the car has started turning in (small throttle) and increased it to full by the 2nd part (right-hander) apex. Or if/when I took too much curb, then afterwards - but that's time lost right there.
Right go it. no coasting! I think I'm jumping on the breaks too hard.
And is engine breaking changing down and using compression to break?
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Yes it's what we sometimes call engine braking.
Get used to do it in a manner that you don't over-rev the engine, as soon as damage is added you'll notice engines blown up here and there (especially by Dion :) ) Due to early downshifts. Plus the rear lockup can be a bitch, hehe. It's effectively a handbrake.
Edit:
with braking (normal braking) you want to apply the force somewhat gradually, but it's very hard and the 'speed' of application depends on the car, too, so sometimes on racey cars it's fine to jump on it. :) But if you overdo your braking you'll lock the fronts and lose a lot of braking power - altho this, I believe, is not new information :)
The rule here basically:
You may hear the tyres somewhat, but you don't want to see smoke. If that happens, you're skidding.
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Yes it's what we sometimes call engine braking.
Get used to do it in a manner that you don't over-rev the engine, as soon as damage is added you'll notice engines blown up here and there (especially by Dion :) ) Due to early downshifts. Plus the rear lockup can be a bitch, hehe. It's effectively a handbrake.
I can remember being 18-19 and compression lock-ups was part and parcel of being a 18 year old in a car!
I'm sure the engine damage model is working. I blew up a few Pagani's when I had it switched on a few weeks ago. Nothing visual happened except for warning lights.
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Replay
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63816631/AC/replays/DJM%20bmw_m3_e30_gra_silverstone-international_1.11.180.zip
AIM telemetry
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63816631/AC/telem/DJM_bmw_GrpA_silInt_140613_211234.drk
Recorded a ghost but I don't think you can load other peoples?
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Yes you can, Wally has described it in the other thread; you just need to modify the name in one file to your own...some json file.
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OK then, ghost lap :)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63816631/AC/ghost/GHOST_CAR_Darren%20Marsh%20Rift_bmw_m3_e30_gra.7z
Setup
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63816631/AC/setups/djm%20GrpA%20SilvInt%20Q.ini
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Hey I'm not too far off your lap here! (for now...)
I've managed to run a 1:11.9 today, just a tiny bit off my pb, and only .7 off yours :)
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OK then, ghost lap :)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63816631/AC/ghost/GHOST_CAR_Darren%20Marsh%20Rift_bmw_m3_e30_gra.7z (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63816631/AC/ghost/GHOST_CAR_Darren%20Marsh%20Rift_bmw_m3_e30_gra.7z)
Setup
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63816631/AC/setups/djm%20GrpA%20SilvInt%20Q.ini (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63816631/AC/setups/djm%20GrpA%20SilvInt%20Q.ini)
Thanks Darren. Other people can copy this file into their ghosts folder (can't remember exactly where it is now), and rename it to replace "Darren Marsh" with their name.
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Thanks Darren, as if chasing my own ghost for hours on end wasn't frustrating enough, I now can chase yours..... with no hope of catching :D
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Thanks Darren, as if chasing my own ghost for hours on end wasn't frustrating enough, I now can chase yours..... with no hope of catching :D
I concur ;D
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It helped me take 0.5 seconds off.
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you into the 11's now ???
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you into the 11's now ???
Ummm..... yeah 8) .
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Cough yer, uh hum..... I'm doing 10's 8)
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Let go back to the 1st chicane at Imola. Just cause it's still fresk in my brain.. How for out would you say you stop acceleration? Do you coast before applying breaks?
No no no, never coast! It's either braking or accelerating, anything in between is lost time. I've started braking (for T1) just before the left-kink. Applied throttle slightly after the car has started turning in (small throttle) and increased it to full by the 2nd part (right-hander) apex. Or if/when I took too much curb, then afterwards - but that's time lost right there.
Coming back to "no no no, never coast!" - I have to stay off the throttle in Stowe for a while until I get the front end of the car turning into the corner. Is this because you should have continued braking longer into the corner and then get onto the throttle? This is what I am trying to do but invariably come off the brake too early or brake too much.
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I'll agree with you both.
There should never be 'coasting' between throttle and brake (and no overlap either) but sometimes 'coasting' between brake and throttle (re-application) is beneficial in settling the car, allowing you to re-applicate the throttle quicker. ;)
But all this is starting to get into 'style', for I know Bird and I disagree on the throttle/brake overlap issue. 8)
Listen to all, believe none until you've tried for yourself. ;)
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Cough yer, uh hum..... I'm doing 10's 8)
LOL
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Cough yer, uh hum..... I'm doing 10's 8)
LOL
Well Im doing 9's ;)
I just tried some laps in the GRPA using Darrens setup and got 1:11.861 in the GPA and 1:09.865 in the DTM though both have quite a bit of room for improvement. I actually am struggling to get much more speed out of the softs in the DTM as I am only .7 slower on the hards after 20 laps and the softs are gone in about 5. May try and work some of his differences in setup towards my qualy setup in the DTM to hopefully gain a few more tenths closer to the WR laps.
With the coasting and brake overlap I think there are times in some cars where either is a benefit and I tend to adjust my style to suit the car quite a bit. With coasting in these cars I tend to a bit at sections like Aqua Minerali, or turn 4 Silverstone international where late braking just unsettles the car so better to come in smoother and stable then all out of control and if this means coasting to lose .05 to gain a much better exit then I will coast.
Im mostly a right foot braker but there are some corners in some cars where I will left foot brake on entry while on throttle to get the nose in without lifting off, also some real cars dont always give you the choice so I have pretty much got used to both methods but right foot still is my preferred style.
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Hey Bird, you'll know, what's the max rear tyre temp.?
I got bored at 215C.... ???
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Hey Bird, you'll know, what's the max rear tyre temp.?
I got bored at 215C.... ???
LOL, how would I know? But I'll try next time I need something to do :D 215 is a good effort I guess.
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Hey Bird, you'll know, what's the max rear tyre temp.?
I got bored at 215C.... ???
LOL, how would I know? But I'll try next time I need something to do :D 215 is a good effort I guess.
Whenever I'm in the pits and someone is doing doughies, more than likely it's you. ;) ;D
(that's with Group A mediums BTW)
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Hey Bird, you'll know, what's the max rear tyre temp.?
I got bored at 215C.... ???
LOL, how would I know? But I'll try next time I need something to do :D 215 is a good effort I guess.
Whenever I'm in the pits and someone is doing doughies, more than likely it's you. ;) ;D
(that's with Group A mediums BTW)
fair enough :D
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I see in this thread you guys are throwing down 9s...
Well I'm doing 7s....
2:07s :P
Now come on. Seriously I'm doing i'm doing 1:15s quite consitant... ok shut up. It's not fast but I'm getting faster. 1:14 PB.
Been running a bit rich though.
(http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n497/mogwai101/34lL6laps.jpg)
Well, that's what doughnuts do to fuel consumption.
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Are you any good at videos Dick? it would be really good to have a video-ist in the league.
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Are you any good at videos Dick? it would be really good to have a video-ist in the league.
My poor old CPU can barely cope. it's too old to use the nvidia shadow play. well that's pretty much what the error tells me. Think I need 3.2ghz CPU. i'm 2.4
I've had very poor results with free stuff. But yeah It's something I would enjoy doing. :D
And the jerky replays from other cars pov. probably half bad code and half my old computer causing it?
I do some RL editing from time to time so I'm into it. I have too many hobbies. ::)
Good at it? Pfft I wish.
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Are you any good at videos Dick? it would be really good to have a video-ist in the league.
I can make some videos from league races but with my issues last round I didnt even save the replay files, think I have everything sorted now so hope the only issues will be my lack of driving skills in the future races and not also dealing with technicle issues which were quite annoying to say the least.
Also the 500MB replay size limit means there will onoy be end of race footage until kunos does something about this.
Here are a couple of AC videos I made earlier but can make some actual race edits featuring race highlights
not just my own car. ;)
[youtube]w-DZSiIqVno[/youtube]
[youtube]fWXJdC23--8[/youtube]
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Nice. Some nice catches in there. That would be great if you had the time to put some race highlights together. Its never going to be as smooth from other cars as your own car, but it would still be good to mix it up a bit. Videos are good promo material too, with the appropriate tags.
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What do you use to capture with Marty?
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What do you use to capture with Marty?
NV shadow play works fairly well for me now.
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What do you use to capture with Marty?
NV shadow play works fairly well for me now.
Damn it. I need to upgrade.
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You could also try Open Broadcaster Software. It's designed for streaming to twitch etc, but you can also stream to a file. I've only tried it with iRacing but it didn't seem to impact my frame rates.
https://obsproject.com/
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You could also try Open Broadcaster Software. It's designed for streaming to twitch etc, but you can also stream to a file. I've only tried it with iRacing but it didn't seem to impact my frame rates.
https://obsproject.com/
I will have to check it out. thanks Darren.
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I'll agree with you both.
There should never be 'coasting' between throttle and brake (and no overlap either) but sometimes 'coasting' between brake and throttle (re-application) is beneficial in settling the car, allowing you to re-applicate the throttle quicker. ;)
But all this is starting to get into 'style', for I know Bird and I disagree on the throttle/brake overlap issue. 8)
Listen to all, believe none until you've tried for yourself. ;)
I agree 100%.
Dick,
I think the best thing is try to minimise your coasting and cut it down as much as possible with out it taking to much of your attention. I will apply brakes, allowing for a tiny bit of coasting, through the apex, and then get on the gas smoothly. This sort of style of very beneficial to tire life and if we ever do some longer races conserving tire is a must. With the BMW sometimes I am on the "gas" before the apex but I always allow a 1/2 second of coast before I apply power. I never seem to have issues with the fronts of my tires only rears from to much gas if I'm not careful. As Bacchulum said it is really getting more into the nitty griddy of driving style now.
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I'll agree with you both.
There should never be 'coasting' between throttle and brake (and no overlap either) but sometimes 'coasting' between brake and throttle (re-application) is beneficial in settling the car, allowing you to re-applicate the throttle quicker. ;)
But all this is starting to get into 'style', for I know Bird and I disagree on the throttle/brake overlap issue. 8)
Listen to all, believe none until you've tried for yourself. ;)
I agree 100%.
Dick,
I think the best thing is try to minimise your coasting and cut it down as much as possible with out it taking to much of your attention. I will apply brakes, allowing for a tiny bit of coasting, through the apex, and then get on the gas smoothly. This sort of style of very beneficial to tire life and if we ever do some longer races conserving tire is a must. With the BMW sometimes I am on the "gas" before the apex but I always allow a 1/2 second of coast before I apply power. I never seem to have issues with the fronts of my tires only rears from to much gas if I'm not careful. As Bacchulum said it is really getting more into the nitty griddy of driving style now.
Thanks to everyone! I'm regretting using the word 'coasting' lol. I probably should have said de-accelerate, I guess that is coasting though..
anyway, I think I know what people are trying to say. Either should be breaking or somewhere on the accelerator, not necessarily full throttle though.
Bird was giving me some lessons the other night, even with him sandbagging I noticed he was way quicker out of the corners, even when I got a 1/2 descent apex.
It all has to come together in the corners, slow in, fast out. I'm learning... fast in means wide and slow out at best.
I'm picking breaking zones a lot better. Break pressure though.. hmm.
Picking the acceleration point in the apex.... hmm
My times are improving at Silverstone. But I will still need to throw a few bags of cement in the boots of all other competitors... wait, did I just say that out loud?
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Oh, hell yes, the throttle-during-braking :) No I did not mean that.
Sorry if I did not express myself clearly; I mean as a general rule of thumb, avoid coasting. It's all just lost time.
This is not my idea; it's basic racing know-how (afaik).
I do coast sometimes too, but rarely, it's basically error correction only. I try not to do it, ever.
Usually you can apply a bit of throttle, and the car will turn better, rather than coasting. (Especially in these cars!) Bit of throttle=not losing speed.
When you're coasting you're actually losing speed. Especially in a corner. You might as well brake later, trail brake, and apply throttle.
It all adds up!
Having said all that, we should look at telemetry results, especially from Darren, to learn how to drive quickly ;)
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Thankfully I smashed Wally's time by 0.048, very important to have this physiological advantage knowing I AM QUICKER :o
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I use coasting a fair bit if using the brakes would shift the balance of the car too much. Braking slightly is quicker but I find that coasting can be more consistent. Eg would be the corner coming onto hanger straight at Silverstone Int. I normally brake slightly early and then coast for a tenth of a second to get the car turned in without sliding before getting the power down.
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Got the DTM going a little quicker ;)
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7282/a42ddjjd6oh25wq6g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?a42ddjjd6oh25wq)
Thats with a bit of coast to entry on turn 4 as I think its the most critical corner on track for a fast lap. Exit there can be a difference of .5 seconds by the time you get to the end of the next straight. Even this lap I had some opposite lock from apex to exit and I braked too late into t2 costing some time.
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Thankfully I smashed Wally's time by 0.048, very important to have this physiological advantage knowing I AM QUICKER :o
Pffft, it's race pace that counts, under pressure :D
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Well done Marty! Good effort to mix it with those no-bodies above you ;)
Are these races going to be 12 laps each Wally?
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Well done Marty! Good effort to mix it with those no-bodies above you ;)
Are these races going to be 12 laps each Wally?
16 and 20. See the signup thread.
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16 and 20. See the signup thread.
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think of ur fuel levels everyone... ;D
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think of ur fuel levels everyone... ;D
My little car will be over-flowing after the last race!
I still maintain that Achilles Heels Racing was the subject of a sinister sabotage attempt from a rival team which resulted in a loss of fuel in the final race for both drivers. Perhaps the old "sugar-in-the-fuel-tank-while-they-are-distracted-by-Bird-doing-doughnuts-in-the-pits" trick eventually blocked the injectors.
Achilles Heels will not let this outrage be swept under the rug, and if I happen to get a red-shell pick-up you others better watch out!
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think of ur fuel levels everyone... ;D
My little car will be over-flowing after the last race!
I still maintain that Achilles Heels Racing was the subject of a sinister sabotage attempt from a rival team which resulted in a loss of fuel in the final race for both drivers. Perhaps the old "sugar-in-the-fuel-tank-while-they-are-distracted-by-Bird-doing-doughnuts-in-the-pits" trick eventually blocked the injectors.
Achilles Heels will not let this outrage be swept under the rug, and if I happen to get a red-shell pick-up you others better watch out!
If you noticed the rear side panels of the car we have been given some jerry cans for the next race, there is one in the boot with the 2 dogs ;D
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I had a good first race, good clean start, then people started dropping off, bit of battling here and there, but then I got into the rhythm and was just lapping as well as I could. The result was good, though.
But the second! Got into a bit of tap-tap due to the slightly lower gearing, people swamped me a bit and we were 3-wide. Then I've mis-calculated the run to T3 while apologising to Wally and run into someone. Terribly sorry about that. Waited out my time on the side, and joined the end of the line.
I had some good little battles while fighting my way up. Great clean fun!
Got back to some decent position, where Phil was acting as a massive wall. We've tussled for a few laps, then finally I got a run up, then gave it back on the back straight (those DTMs have power, dammit!) then took it back again as Phil run wide at the end, then effed it up on the last corner royally. I'm still fuming about that, it was a rookie mistake, just kept the throttle on when I should have just backed off a bit... Oh well.
Still, it was a hugely enjoyable race!
Thanks everyone you guys are all racing very nicely.
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Race Results (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2014/06/s1r2-bmw-m3-e30-at-silvertone.html)
Season Standings (http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com/2014/05/season-1-standings.html)
Season Statistics (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnDaDoQGyFTddEZVTzRoZ0ZOR3NtNnNjcl8xVGpPSUE&usp=sharing)
Congratulations to Marty on both race wins and the round win. Having a DTM helped ;)
Marty has taken the season lead, while team Achilles Heels takes the team points lead, thanks to a strong showing, with the help of some DTM power after a poor first round.
Round Points
Marty 50
Mopz 46
Darren Marsh 40
Guybrush Threepwood 40
Rolz 40
Freezer 35
GWyar 35
Ysu 33
Wally 29
Rob 29
Jestronix 28
Glen73 27
Phil 25
BJSRacer 22
Bacchulum 22
Simone 20
cramjet 16
Flattop 16
Gratulin 15
Dave O 11
Imperious 11
Dick Forrest 3
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Not a bad night for me all things considered. I was able to set a pb to grab 6th.
R1: I managed to find myself tangled in 3 pile ups and dropped well down to 19th on first lap. >:( But from there I put the foot down and was able to claw my way back to 9th.
Q2: Managed to go a bit quicker again and grab 4th on the grid but this was to no avail as for some reason the game would only start me in the pits. And to make matters worse the far end of the pits. Therefore when the flag dropped I trundled down pit lane as everyone blasted away, but I jumped into 15th thanks to the initial congestion. From there I again had to charge through and this time making it to 6th for what was a decent result given the two dud starts I got in each race.
Oh, and apparently having a DTM helped . . . they say they're faster!
On a side note re tyre talk: Mediums for 20 laps and I was able to hold consistent times to the end.
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Oh, and apparently having a DTM helped . . . they say they're faster!
Good work freezer sounds like you had to work hard for your points, thats what they say but its just that the better drivers get DTM drive offers where the average guys are lucky to get into a group A :)
In all honesty the DTM was just a fraction faster ;) once I ran a race simulation and found I could stay comfortably under the group A WR running hard DTM tyres for 20 laps I figured those guys would be struggling to match that pace and so was hoping theyd get into battles with the other DTMS for long enough to let me get a bit of a gap. Race 1 I just tried to drive smooth and avoid silly errors and so had a fairly lonely race up front. After my poor showing the week before I needed to pull my finger out to avoid getting dropped from Achilles heel racing so tried to earn my keep with some consistent driving.
Race 2 Mopz gave me a bit of a push on early and I made a couple early errors while being pressured. So after nearly blowing the lead getting into neutral breaking into t2 I decided to relax and take it much easier on entry knowing I could run a fairly good pace without needing to drive right on the limits and hope that was enough to keep me ahead. I know how hard it is to pass a car atm with similar pace with no slipstream so avoiding errors will make it tough for those behind.
Here are both replay files, I want to make a highlights video but first time I noticed the cars not in view seem to only get netcode updates once or twice a second so this makes other cars away from me look pretty strange. Maybe we need to wait til the server can capture a replay file if at all possible or get some files from guys in the better battles. The cars withing my cars view are updated much more regularly, I really never noticed this before but may be a common thing with most race sims.
There was some discussion on coasting during the week and if you watch my inputs driving at about 90-95 % these races I coasted quite a bit into most turns just to ensure I got better exits. Sacrificing a few tenths per lap to avoid any silly errors that are easy to make when going for the ultimate pace. The clutch pedal isnt shown but I clutch on up shifts and was heal toe down but into second gear I was also using the clutch down as practicing I did lock rears a bit and miss shifting a bit into those 3 second gear corners so braking earlier and clutching just avoided any errors for the most part.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/qg9929b7omhs8am/race_1_xgn.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/e3ca3ldncy94ngz/race_2_xgn.rar
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Was a top evening, stayed out of the way of everyone... except for some poor soul I bumped in qualifying, I hope it didn't put you off getting a good time next lap...
Pretty stoked with my effort... I think I put in close to 10 hours on that track in that car last week... got my PB in qualifying on the first race... should have seen me smiling from ear to ear there ;D
Thanks again, let me know the car I get allocated... I have fallen in love with that DTM (or maybe it's 6th gear). Being a first time sim person since AC has come out I have a lot of hours to put down on the tracks to come close to putting up a fight...
Lastly I have to remember to blink... gawd my eyes were dry when the night was over ::)
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Sounds like you had a lot of fun Rolz :)
I had a pretty good night. I got a couple of side swipes in both races but no biggies. Like Bird, I had a good chase of Phil's DTM in race 2 after watching the Bird/Phil battle from behind, but couldn't get close enough to make the pass.
I had softs in race 1, but even at 95% at the end of the race, they were starting to lose bite in the corners, so I went for mediums in the longer race.
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I had a fun race, at the back, getting lapped... and lapped.. ;)
I have to blame Marty for making mic noise which in turn would make my CPU choke at the end of pit straight and I'd get the dreaded CPU>95% when really it is at 45% :P got huge lag. No one else had this?
I wish I had a big budget like you guys and could afford to burn tyres. I've got one set of softs to last the whole season. :P
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First race didn't go to plan. I was surprised to be 2nd on the grid but knew it wouldn't last long given how close a few DTM cars were behind. I lowered my pressures because it seemed to work out better in practice, but in the race it made me slow in the fast turns. I had a couple bingles with Guybrush then we ran nose to tail for the rest of the race. I couldn't do anything at the end because my rears had melted.
2nd race went better despite having my wheel off center at the start. Thanks for the warning whoever that was. I rotated my wheel but didn't find the stop so I just went with it. With the rift on I can't see my wheel well enough to sort that out quickly. I didn't get a clear run in qual but I had a good first couple laps getting me up to 3rd. Guybrush got held up by a DTM so I had a clear run to the finish.
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Q2: Managed to go a bit quicker again and grab 4th on the grid but this was to no avail as for some reason the game would only start me in the pits. And to make matters worse the far end of the pits....
In Q2 I didn't even leave the pits. I wanted to save my only set of tyres ;)
Yet I was on the start grid. There was a empty pit box in front of me as well.
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Sorry for the sudden disappearance last night but I had
a server disconnect 5mins into the first race. I had a phone line problem
the last few days and Telstra had been looking at it. I was not willing to try again in
the second race. I have made a few casual observations in the few races I have
done in this league and I believe too much emphasis is being placed on speed rather
than handling in setups. I believe better handling setups would reduce the number of race "incidents"
in the first few laps. I always "try" to find a setup that if I go off the race line I can still recover without
completely looseing control. I have found this series much fun and a good bunch of people,congratulations
to the podium winners.
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As long as I've played AC I've never been able to make Silverstone work for me. I just couldn't get a decent lap down, having no pace and being in a Group A meant I qualified poorly and raced even worse!
In saying that I still had a lot of fun at the back. Wasn't quite as clean as my last race up in 8-12 position but I think that made it more fun :p. I must apologise though, when that large lag spike hit (during 2nd race?) I think I hit someone off the road. Although I was totally unaffected I saw them go flying off into the sand just before the last corner.
All in all a good way to celebrate my last exam for my under-grad (how lame am I!) Now I have some time to install all these parts I've accumulated for my own e30................325i :(
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I saw that lag spike cramjet. Your car was a bit jittery and warpy, and I saw it just jump sideways into the car beside you. It was quite a big jump.
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It's good reading everyone's account of their race as obviously you don't see get to see what happens when it isn't around you.
First race I had a bad start and got swamped off the line but saw Darren up ahead being held up so eventually made my way up to him. I was fairly close behind Darren coming into T1 and accidentally gave him a tap as I misjudged our relative pace through that corner and by the time I braked it wasn't quite enough to completely avoid him - so apologies to Darren. Then again we continued our battle with me behind and coming out of Stowe into the sharp left-hander I had a slight run on and put it up the inside but probably didn't have my nose far enough up beside Darren as we ended up going for the same piece of tarmac and collided. I waited for Darren to re-pass before resuming our battle and then after a few laps got a good run out of Stowe and managed to get him on the inside of the next corner. After that I just managed to hold him off until the end, although Darren was clearly faster overall.
So a poor first race from me. One thing I'm finding with a single screen and decent FOV is that it's difficult to know where people are around you. Even with mirrors there are some large blind spots.
The second race was a little smoother. I looked behind me at the start and noticed Darren's wheels were pointing toward the outside of the track and tried to tell him to straighten his wheel. Anyway, we had a good but brief tussel and Darren ended up passing me around the outside of Stowe and into the left hander - without me bumping him this time! :) So a great pass from Darren. I also had a good little battle with Rolz who drove very well and I only ended up getting by a few laps from the end. I decided to go with the hard tyres for the second race which probably wasn't a good idea as they took 4 or 5 laps to heat up and didn't have the grip of the mediums which may have lasted the distance.
Anyway, a fun couple of races for me and thanks for the evening. Congratulations to Marty who had a clean streak this round getting maximum points and well done to the other podium finishers. Good to see Ysu/Bird bagging the highest place for the Grp A's in the first race and Darren taking the honours in the second.
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Qualifying for both races I was happy to be in the 12's but that put me mid pack.
Race one basically was running side by side of Simone and bang not even sure what happened as his car was out of my view but mess everywhere...... and then 20 seconds later T-boned a stranded Flattop sitting like a bunny in headlights on the very fast right hander. I could almost see his pilot ingame frantically bashing his keyboard. After all that I was back in 20th, made 5 places up to finish 15th.
Race two, saw a few incidents and drove through them luckily, held up a fast approaching Freezer for a lap but the Dtm just way too powerful especially in Freezers hands. Finished 8th, race two I think top 9 cars placed, 6 of them were Dtm powered.
So Monza, team projekt rennesport sees the special delivery of 2 brand new Dtm's to the garage.
Here is an observation...... people having the ability to drop there worst round doesnt work well with the dtm step up option. What I think could have worked better is everyone keeping all round points and the Dtm step up based off the season results not each round. I think season results reflect a drivers ability more accurately unless you have hardware or alpha influence. I dont think it is fair that Wally finished two points ahead of me this round, but I find my self 2 points ahead of him in season championship after dropping our worst round and I find myself in a Dtm while Wally is in a Grpa at Monza.
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I agree Glen I think DTM's probably better for the season points then last race, I got lucky as had pretty big PC issues race 1 so luckily the DTM helped me get back some points but either way I would have been in a DTM for race 2. Quite likely after Monza most of the GRPa cars will be in DTM's the next week though some may still be up fairly high in points for the season. Still its early days and first season so more of a learning experience, quite a good way of mixing things up with the multi car season and it will be some interesting battles if I find a dtm car around my pace at Monza.
Rennesport will be racking up the points this week, the DTM is quite fun to drive will be hard giving up the extra grunt and gear this week but trading that for some more position battles should be fun.
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Fun reading guys!!
Race 1: I qual low 12 (Actually i am in position 10 in the official times 8)).....ahead of wally...... ::),a little back stabbing here i know but my races are bullshit so far.... >:( so i was saying I was having a good battle with Glenn and someone else when exiting the corner before the straight i must have hit the curb to hard and i lost it,clearly i noob mistake...fark,,,sorry! After that i T-bone someone at that fast curve at the end of the back straight and after that i just tried to make it up but was too hard.
Race 2: Tragically ended when i sent bacchulum 180 ,jusssssst a touch on his back under braking was enough to ruin mine and his race,,,apologies!!...annnnnd i remember to re-address.
So even though my speed was competitive,it seams i can put it together in the race...great fun!!
....i found the game a bit laggish last night,in one instance my car disappeared while i was following close another car,and reappeared in front....i loved it though,... :P
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think of ur fuel levels everyone... ;D
My little car will be over-flowing after the last race!
I still maintain that Achilles Heels Racing was the subject of a sinister sabotage attempt from a rival team which resulted in a loss of fuel in the final race for both drivers. Perhaps the old "sugar-in-the-fuel-tank-while-they-are-distracted-by-Bird-doing-doughnuts-in-the-pits" trick eventually blocked the injectors.
Achilles Heels will not let this outrage be swept under the rug, and if I happen to get a red-shell pick-up you others better watch out!
sugar = no work
packet cigarette papers = ongoing misery ::)
but I must admit Bird's doughnuts are interesting... :)
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I was 'wrapped' 'stoked' shouting 'kowabunga' (with my mic off for a change :-X) oooo weeee!
WOW! What a change! Thanks firstly to Marty for the latest setup, it "... Took understeering through turns to good turn in and mid-corner speed.
Second thanks to Phil, Glen had assisted in my wheel setting... yyyyyeeearrrs ago and it had 'changed over time' that I didn't notice. using the setting off the forum brought the experience back to 'car like', my old setting would have been fine for a 1930's Reo bus!
Hit a PB with softs for a great grid position for race one. Got caught early on in a couple of bingles and slipped back to trying to lap consistently.
Race 2, much better start until I hit jestronic entering the straight on the outside, sorry, redressed and then drove to try and pickup some spots and eventually overtook my team mate, David, on the last lap! A highpoint, normally I don't see you on the track!
Ran on hards both races, didn't want to experience a fall off, but with the setup I can now control slides and recover without overcorrecting so may take on softer tyres for future races...
Great night, I just want to get home and practice... :)
Really enjoying the post race chats, informative, great to know how other sections of the race performed, not to mention the huge lift to the communty aspect of the races.
Dick ++ for your humor :)
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think of ur fuel levels everyone... ;D
My little car will be over-flowing after the last race!
I still maintain that Achilles Heels Racing was the subject of a sinister sabotage attempt from a rival team which resulted in a loss of fuel in the final race for both drivers. Perhaps the old "sugar-in-the-fuel-tank-while-they-are-distracted-by-Bird-doing-doughnuts-in-the-pits" trick eventually blocked the injectors.
Achilles Heels will not let this outrage be swept under the rug, and if I happen to get a red-shell pick-up you others better watch out!
sugar = no work
packet cigarette papers = ongoing misery ::)
but I must admit Bird's doughnuts are interesting... :)
How about five liters of water.... is heavier in weight than fuel and feeds through first. Not as spitful as papers I know but can cause hours of fun.
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The replay file..
Besides all jerkyness (Mainly caused by Marty's haxx) :P I noticed that it's possible to do the race with all the pretty stuff turned right down. Then before you load the replay go into the game settings and turn all the sliders and pretty stuff up to max and the replay will load with all those settings. Good for me as I'm running a Pentium 486.
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The replay file..
Besides all jerkyness (Mainly caused by Marty's haxx) :P I noticed that it's possible to do the race with all the pretty stuff turned right down. Then before you load the replay go into the game settings and turn all the sliders and pretty stuff up to max and the replay will load with all those settings. Good for me as I'm running a Pentium 486.
A 468! That would run my shareware copy of Jill of the Jungle so good.
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Q2: Managed to go a bit quicker again and grab 4th on the grid but this was to no avail as for some reason the game would only start me in the pits.
I think what happened to me was I either hit esc and back to pits out of habit just after the session changed, or I did it as it was changing.
I normally make sure I've loaded my race setup before the end of qual because some open servers have a very short time between sessions. You don't get to finish a lap if the time runs out during it, so may as well use that time to get yourself ready.
If you jump straight in car and forget to check your fuel level I guess you're screwed.
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Q2: Managed to go a bit quicker again and grab 4th on the grid but this was to no avail as for some reason the game would only start me in the pits.
I think what happened to me was I either hit esc and back to pits out of habit just after the session changed, or I did it as it was changing.
I normally make sure I've loaded my race setup before the end of qual because some open servers have a very short time between sessions. You don't get to finish a lap if the time runs out during it, so may as well use that time to get yourself ready.
If you jump straight in car and forget to check your fuel level I guess you're screwed.
I had that in one of the practice races I think it can only happen after you click the start button and go to grid, if you go back to check fuel you will end up in the pits. Just make sure once the race session begins that you check your setup before clicking the top left get into car button. Did it in a public server race at Monza once and the funny thing I started in the pits and was far enough back the turn 1 mess had cleared a path for me to go straight into the lead with everyone else wrecked. Had I started in pole I would have been wrecked too but the pitlane may be the safest grid spot for Monza :)
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First of all I have to say very very nice setup Guy, I didnt touch a thing and whilst a little light on the backend the ability to throw the car around was excellent, with great straightline speed too.
Race 1, "Where the hell did Mopz come from ! is what im calling it" Had some slight early on battle with Mopz, as usual the sound of Moppsy's angry determination caused me to get tail happy and we settled into our positions. To finish third with only a little bit of practice on the night was a good result.
Race 2, " Qualified in the 10s so was happy with that, as usual moppsy taking away a few ms. Having no clutch gave me a piss poor off the line start, then got tail happy once again under pressure, gotta learn to predict force feedback, my wheel "Driving Force Logitech, just hit its 10th birthday!" doesnt have any force feed back since win8.
Had a few mishaps on T1, sorry to someone i took out T1, i came in hot as I was scando flicking to keep speed through that one, i clipped someone as i didnt expect such a slow down. I got bored and started pushing pushing and made a few mistakes.
Great drive Mopz and Marty, darn your on fire Marty there was no way i was getting in the 9s! Consistent low times during the race too, perfect drive, ppppsssst wheres your next setup :)
And hell no frame drops and system was silky smooth, must be all those trees at monza !
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Not a great night for me.
My lap times were less than I had hoped for, but not unexpected given the amount of laps done in practice. After Qual, Race 1 saw me starting mid pack, but somewhere on the first lap I got shunted and relegated to the back end of the field to play catch up, made places and finished. My experience in Race 2 was a bit of Déjà vu, "get punted, resume race from tail of field". That's racing I guess. Oh well.
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This punting is obviously something I'd like to avoid, as it ruins races. I hope you at least got a redress. With more support from the server, I'd hope eventually to get some kind of penalties in place.
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This punting is obviously something I'd like to avoid, as it ruins races. I hope you at least got a redress. With more support from the server, I'd hope eventually to get some kind of penalties in place.
The most annoying thing is the replay size limit means we dont get to see the race start again which is where most incidents seem to happen. Seeing a replay would help people learn who was at fault and how to try avoid it next time. For me I am yet to have any contact in the RSR server I think only one shunt in the lotus 2 eleven at Valleounga and cant recall any other contact with anyone in any other session yet.
I havent been in the pack on a start yet either up front or in the pits but cant see me being too far up this week so will be interesting. I normally dont fight for positions into 1 just hold either inside or outside line depending on my start. As passing is quite tricky its not surprising people are taking more chances early where its easiest to gain spots though.
Monza may be interesting as t1 is quite a blackspot and in our practice race there I messed that up twice but somehow never hit anyone more by luck then anything else.
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It was nice for me too see you on the track for once not lapping me :0
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I think people too are still coming to grips with baking distances etc. in a big field. Early dive bombs will always cause carnage.
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Some drivers use different braking point and techinques also.I tend to apply lighter pressure for longer just to keep the speed on exit,some other I noticed brake almost suddenly.It is also true that learning the behave of the opponent is paramount ..and that's what happened to me in the last race.
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Some drivers use different braking point and techinques also.I tend to apply lighter pressure for longer just to keep the speed on exit,some other I noticed brake almost suddenly.It is also true that learning the behave of the opponent is paramount ..and that's what happened to me in the last race.
This is why I like to learn around RL drivers. It's important to learn when racing against real people who are trying to have fun as well.
Also RL people are far more dynamic than AI. And sometimes when real people lose, they get sad and knowing that, makes me happy
no no, I'm joking!! :D
I'm not even at the stage where race position bothers me. I'm still getting stoked at doing repeated clean laps.
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Dick I think learning to drive in the middle of an AI pack is well worth it too, especially learning to hold an inside or outside line when side by side. Real people are different mostly less observant then the AI :) but also quite a bit harder to pass as not many humans follow the same exact line lap after lap making the same mistake you can use to pass the entire field quite easily. Also the AI dont cry if you hit them so you will get less pleasure out of causing them misery. ;)
The good thing with the practice server is that if there are enough people you can practice passing people again less chance of tears and so pleasure for some but good practice still. No matter what its all just for fun with no real damage or repair costs so if you mess up just say sorry and that should be as far as it goes.
General rules Id say is if your getting lapped dont hold any lead lap guys up as much as possible. Hold your line no need to run off track or anything and dont panic. If your passing for position then you need to put your car in a position that forces the guy ahead to give you room, still some drivers will be fairer then others and in many cases you may just need to wait for them to make a mistake. If you pressure anyone for long enough there is a good chance they will make a small error at least that opens the door enough.
Watching replays of your incidents is good as quite often what you think was the other guys fault can quite easily also be partially or fully your own fault and so a good way to learn from them. Basically just run a few races and no matter what speed your at if you drive fair and clean giving enough racing room but no need to submit to everything people will happily race with you.
Mixing up different speed cars just adds to the carnage especially if there is a long battle where the cars differences really show up, I think it would have been pretty cool in the last race mid pack with both cars running similar pace. I remember having a good full race battle with guybrush in the 458 vs mclaren where the differences were more subtle but still enough to mix things up a little as each car was better in different parts of the track.
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Dick I think learning to drive in the middle of an AI pack is well worth it too, especially learning to hold an inside or outside line when side by side. Real people are different mostly less observant then the AI :) but also quite a bit harder to pass as not many humans follow the same exact line lap after lap making the same mistake you can use to pass the entire field quite easily. Also the AI dont cry if you hit them so you will get less pleasure out of causing them misery. ;)
The good thing with the practice server is that if there are enough people you can practice passing people again less chance of tears and so pleasure for some but good practice still. No matter what its all just for fun with no real damage or repair costs so if you mess up just say sorry and that should be as far as it goes.
General rules Id say is if your getting lapped dont hold any lead lap guys up as much as possible. Hold your line no need to run off track or anything and dont panic. If your passing for position then you need to put your car in a position that forces the guy ahead to give you room, still some drivers will be fairer then others and in many cases you may just need to wait for them to make a mistake. If you pressure anyone for long enough there is a good chance they will make a small error at least that opens the door enough.
Watching replays of your incidents is good as quite often what you think was the other guys fault can quite easily also be partially or fully your own fault and so a good way to learn from them. Basically just run a few races and no matter what speed your at if you drive fair and clean giving enough racing room but no need to submit to everything people will happily race with you.
Mixing up different speed cars just adds to the carnage especially if there is a long battle where the cars differences really show up, I think it would have been pretty cool in the last race mid pack with both cars running similar pace. I remember having a good full race battle with guybrush in the 458 vs mclaren where the differences were more subtle but still enough to mix things up a little as each car was better in different parts of the track.
Thanks Marty! you are a mentor to me! I listen to what all you guys teach me. It is a huge learning curve I'm on. Of cause I came into SIM racing thinking "meh I can do this" but my ego writes checks my skills can't cash. I have to suck it up and start from the beginning. Getting it all into practice takes me time.
A few times when I was on the grass at Silverstone I was just conserving my tyers. they last longer driving on grass you know?....
ok i had slid off. Then finding a gap I'm confident in rejoining without interfering with you guys.
I know I suffer from choking under pressure from many other online games. I know AI don't bother me like that. And it's a personal goal I want to kick.
I probably spend too much time looking in my mirrors to see which one of you jerks is about to over take me :) You are all nice jerks btw!
just too fast! Even learning to let you guys pass is something that needs to be practiced.
you are right I can learn from AI races and I certainly do them a fair bit. They can be pretty stupid at times though!
Like if i break early and go into a corner slowly, the AI behind will ram me instead of going around even when they have plenty of room and time.
Next week I hope to be lapped less on Monza. It's my most practiced track and the E30 is pretty much my most practiced car.
I'm well practiced at making mic noise now as well. I hope you are impressed :)
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Fun reading guys!!
Race 1: I qual low 12 (Actually i am in position 10 in the official times 8)).....ahead of wally...... ::),a little back stabbing here i know but my races are bullshit so far.... >:( so i was saying I was having a good battle with Glenn and someone else when exiting the corner before the straight i must have hit the curb to hard and i lost it,clearly i noob mistake...fark,,,sorry! After that i T-bone someone at that fast curve at the end of the back straight and after that i just tried to make it up but was too hard.
Race 2: Tragically ended when i sent bacchulum 180 ,jusssssst a touch on his back under braking was enough to ruin mine and his race,,,apologies!!...annnnnd i remember to re-address.
So even though my speed was competitive,it seams i can put it together in the race...great fun!!
....i found the game a bit laggish last night,in one instance my car disappeared while i was following close another car,and reappeared in front....i loved it though,... :P
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No biggy Simone, I just could not figure what had happened and then with no replay I was a bit baffled.
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I agree Glen I think DTM's probably better for the season points then last race, I got lucky as had pretty big PC issues race 1 so luckily the DTM helped me get back some points but either way I would have been in a DTM for race 2. Quite likely after Monza most of the GRPa cars will be in DTM's the next week though some may still be up fairly high in points for the season. Still its early days and first season so more of a learning experience, quite a good way of mixing things up with the multi car season and it will be some interesting battles if I find a dtm car around my pace at Monza.
Rennesport will be racking up the points this week, the DTM is quite fun to drive will be hard giving up the extra grunt and gear this week but trading that for some more position battles should be fun.
Yer i guess it being early days we will see how the cookie crumbles.
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You will probably lap me as its one track I get bored at very quickly and so have hardly run it at all, its a simple layout but still needs a lot to master. Really needs almost over commitment for a good lap time which is not really my style but maybe I will just need to hope others make more errors then me.
Mike noises I just recorded the chat in the first race and found the ones that press birds button the most with my special Bird sensors, that my hackers I mean mechanics hooked up earlier while also working on my DTM. Now these are on a random loop as they were still playing even with my mike off most of last race. ;)
Those damn hackers though I asked what they could do to the group A for Monza and all they said is they can turn up the sound a bit more.
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This punting is obviously something I'd like to avoid, as it ruins races. I hope you at least got a redress. With more support from the server, I'd hope eventually to get some kind of penalties in place.
I have no issues with someone making a mistake and then being on the receiving end of it, that's racing, but it is what we do afterwards that counts in the battered book of racing etiquette. Anyway, enough of this. DTM@Monza = Silver lining :)
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Those damn hackers though I asked what they could do to the group A for Monza and all they said is they can turn up the sound a bit more.
This reminds me, I just got my car back from my Irish mechanic. Said my breaks where faulty so he made my horn louder....
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I've added some more charts, which are probably more informative than the crowded "gap to leader" type charts.
You can see them here, for Silverstone: http://xgnassettocorsa.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/s1r2-bmw-m3-e30-at-silvertone.html
(http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w549/WallyMasterson/Race1-Position_zps426bfd20.png)
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Nice Wally would like to see that chart from round 1 as I was in all sorts of positions there, a bit uneventful for me in this race and I prefer the look of the gap to leader chart here. :D
I wonder is it possible to graph everyones laptimes in some way? may look a bit crowded but along the same format as it will show everyones relative pace each lap. Could be interesting just like all the other awesome data you have put together so far.
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I've just done Imola too.
I have all the data - just need to find good ways to present it. I remember trying to find a way to present lap times back in the netKar days, and I found that the Gap to Leader graph was the best way to do it. But if you have any suggestions or examples, then post them!
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I think those 2 graphs work well. I guess if you wanted something else you could do a graph that had lap time on the y axis - have the fastest lap at the top and then .5 or 1 second increments up to 10 seconds slower than the fastest lap, and then you could have lap number on the x axis?
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I think those 2 graphs work well. I guess if you wanted something else you could do a graph that had lap time on the y axis - have the fastest lap at the top and then .5 or 1 second increments up to 10 seconds slower than the fastest lap, and then you could have lap number on the x axis?
Do you mean something like this masterpiece?
(http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w549/WallyMasterson/Capture_zps580ed3f9.png)
Not that informative!
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Is that abstract art :D
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Looks like a Pro Hart. :o
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Haha, yes that's exactly what I was thinking!
If you could filter certain drivers it would be a lot easier but yeah.... I didn't think everyone's lap times would be so all over the place. Reminds me of the time my 2 year old niece was left alone with a box of crayola's and a plaster wall!