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Simulation Racing Leagues => Assetto Corsa => Australian Assetto Corsa League, Tuesday nights => Topic started by: Wally on August 21, 2014, 02:47:24 PM
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Hi gents,
So I can start to get a feel for lap times in the mix of Lotuses for season 3, I have set up the XGN FUN server with a set entry list that has assigned you a car based on your overall ranking for seasons 1 and 2 combined (as shown in the stats that I link every round). Note that this car assignment was done in order of how well you do in a race, not how fast you are (which are not always the same thing).
Track: Silverstone International
Server: AUS www .xgn.com.au TRIAL SERVER
Please do some laps there, in the car you assigned when you join the server, using the DEFAULT SETUP, and reply to this post with your PB, if and when you're willing and able. We'll have some trial sprints here after season 2.
Here's the entry list:
| Bacchulum | lotus_elise_sc_s1 | |
| BJSRacer | lotus_elise_sc_s2 | |
| cramjet | lotus_exige_240 | 1:17.767
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| Crimespree | lotus_exige_240 | |
| Dave O | lotus_evora_s_s2 | 1:18.662
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| Dick Forrest | lotus_evora_gte | 1.18.045
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| Flattop | lotus_exige_240_s3 | 1:18.682
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| Freezer | lotus_evora_s | 1:18.7
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| G0RGAK | lotus_evora_gte | |
| Glen73 | bmw_z4_s1 | |
| Gratulin | lotus_exige_s_roadster | 1:18.182
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| Grubbet | lotus_exige_240_s3 | 1:17.888
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| Guybrush Threepwood | bmw_z4 | 1:19.118
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| GWyar | lotus_exige_s_roadster | 1.17.6
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| Imperious | lotus_exige_scura | |
| Insomniac | lotus_evora_s_s2 | |
| Marty | bmw_z4 | 1:19.139
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| Mopz | lotus_elise_sc | |
| Rob | lotus_elise_sc_s2 | 1:20.332
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| Rolz | lotus_evora_s | |
| StanDaam | lotus_elise_sc_s1 | |
| Vipergod | lotus_exige_scura | |
| Wally | bmw_z4_s1 | 1:19.486
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| Ysu | lotus_elise_sc | 1.18.673
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POS ;D
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1:41.27 for me running default set just dropped fuel a bit. Handles like a pig but tyre wear not a huge issue as it dropped to 98 and stayed there for 10 laps was about .5 to 1 second slower at 98%.
Is the server set at a very low refresh rate by any chance as I was following glen around and we both had very good pings under 34 but his car was moving around very oddly, I couldnt see any rotation in the car much like in the earliest netcode with high pings.
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Not sure about your track choice Wally??
Huge performance issues.
tried about 3-4 laps. I'm over it lol.
3 minutes something for a lap time.
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Not sure about your track choice Wally??
Huge performance issues.
tried about 3-4 laps. I'm over it lol.
3 minutes something for a lap time.
Say no more, straight to a F1 for Dick.
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Not sure about your track choice Wally??
Huge performance issues.
tried about 3-4 laps. I'm over it lol.
3 minutes something for a lap time.
Really? Was fine on my PC. Pity, because it's a good track. Do you reckon I need to change to one of the AC tracks, say Vallelunga?
Marty, the trial server is set up same as the little servers always are.
I actually didn't mind both the Z4's around here, drifting a little bit through the corners. In the standard Z4, I did 1:41.3.
Marty I just saw your 1:39.312 on the server - updated.
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Not sure about your track choice Wally??
Huge performance issues.
tried about 3-4 laps. I'm over it lol.
3 minutes something for a lap time.
Yea not the best track choice as Dick must have been running real poorly CPU wise not just driving, He had a 70 ping and me 34 and I kept seeing him warp ahead and back.
I tried the z4 s1 also as I think the standard is a complete POS which you should try Wally. Did 1:39.312 in the s1 but I think it may be better to do this test on an official track that everyone knows
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Not sure about your track choice Wally??
Huge performance issues.
tried about 3-4 laps. I'm over it lol.
3 minutes something for a lap time.
Really? Was fine on my PC. Pity, because it's a good track. Do you reckon I need to change to one of the AC tracks, say Vallelunga?
Marty, the trial server is set up same as the little servers always are.
I actually didn't mind both the Z4's around here, drifting a little bit through the corners. In the standard Z4, I did 1:41.3.
Marty I just saw your 1:39.312 on the server - updated.
I had no issues with the track and ran fine just saw odd things with Glens car not rotating then Dicks car warping all over the place and my pings were fine. Its a track I like so a bit of a shame too but I take it that this is not an official conversion by Virtua LM the guys that made it so it could be improved quite a bit performance wise.
The cars are fun and the standard is fun to drive or should I say slide around
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What, you could choose the Z4 S1 on the server, Marty? I thought if I assigned you the standard Z4, that's all you could drive, even though the other cars are available.
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Yeah I rage quit because I don't know the track, and hardly know the car, Was a fair bit of warping. constant CPU warning. (all settings at minimum) lost frames here and there.
I figure a track we know, a track that will be in the series might be better for the experiment?
Vallelunga? well that track scares me but I know it better than the one now.
PS The Thurs night server isn't working?
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No seems all cars are selectable there didnt seem to be one assigned to me. In the lobby it said to select car so I first tried the standard then the s1. I even jumped into a lotus to see if the performance issues could be due to more cars then grid spots but the last elise in the list loaded in pit fine.
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OK, because of performance problems with Mid Ohio, I have changed the track to Vallelunga.
I assumed because it was a RaceDepartment download, it was an authorised conversion. I thought those guys are pretty strict. The original author is credited, but I don't know if they have permission.
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I to had a constant 95% cpu warning, only ever seen it once briefly in 95 hours of AC.
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No seems all cars are selectable there didnt seem to be one assigned to me. In the lobby it said to select car so I first tried the standard then the s1. I even jumped into a lotus to see if the performance issues could be due to more cars then grid spots but the last elise in the list loaded in pit fine.
Oh, that's not how I thought it worked then. You do have a particular model assigned to you in the entry list (the standard Z4).
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I to had a constant 95% cpu warning, only ever seen it once briefly in 95 hours of AC.
That's no good... back to an AC track then.
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I missed all that. What was the track that played up?
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I missed all that. What was the track that played up?
Mid Ohio.
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OK, OK, OK... I changed to Silverstone International, as Vallelunga only has 22 pit boxes and I can't even assign 24 cars there even though we won't have all 24 on track at once. Grrrr....
Also, I changed a mode (disabled pickup mode) on the server (with a quick test), so I reckon now that whatever car you choose in the lobby, you'll get the car that's actually assigned to you when you hit the track.
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1.17.7 for me at Silv Int
Oops, didnt read it properly, that was off-line
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Did you log the times for Gaybrush, Johnathon Forrest, Gratulin and me. I cant remember but they were all in the 1:19's though Johnathon wasnt really trying.
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Martin keeps miss-spelling my name Wally. Can you please advise him that this is against forum regulations and that he will be issued an infraction notice if this behaviour continues?
Just because he can't make Thursday nights racing due to his "Lube 'n' Leather" swingers parties doesn't mean he should carry on like a pork chop.
Thank you.
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Did you log the times for Gaybrush, Johnathon Forrest, Gratulin and me. I cant remember but they were all in the 1:19's though Johnathon wasnt really trying.
Martin is delusional. I told him just take half a handful of gold caps! Now he's talking in riddles and seeing Hello Kitty everywhere.
anyway. Dick Forrest, did a 1.19.453 in the GTE. I could get quicker....... in the exos.
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1.17.7 for me at Silv Int
Oops, didnt read it properly, that was off-line
But you used the lotus_exige_s_roadster?
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1.17.7 for me at Silv Int
Oops, didnt read it properly, that was off-line
But you used the lotus_exige_s_roadster?
Yep, also went on_line later and went a tenth quicker
BTW, there are road tyres and slicks available for that car, I was using slicks, because that was the default
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Martin keeps miss-spelling my name Wally. Can you please advise him that this is against forum regulations and that he will be issued an infraction notice if this behaviour continues?
Just because he can't make Thursday nights racing due to his "Lube 'n' Leather" swingers parties doesn't mean he should carry on like a pork chop.
Thank you.
Sorry about that typo just an honest mistake.
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Sorry about that typo, Gaybrush just an honest mistake.
Did you see that?!?
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Sorry about that typo, Gaybrush just an honest mistake like when I let you win the other night
Did you see that?!?
But theres more!!!!!!
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Sorry about that typo, Gaybrush just an honest mistake.
Did you see that?!?
Strange how that thread doesnt show its been edited. ;)
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Wally I just jumped on the server and did 1:19.139 seeing you must not have registered my earlier laps.
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seems those exige variants are the proper weapons :)
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It was fun last night, in a bit of muck around racing, with a mix of cars with different strengths and weaknesses. It does seem though, that the BMW's are a little too outclassed. I probably will ditch them from the mix.
Also, because car selection should be based on speed and not other factors like racecraft, what I think I'll do is assign a separate leaderboard sorted by fastest race laps as well, not for points but just to assign cars. I.e. You get points 24 down to 1 in order of lap times, and then the leader of that gets the slowest car etc.
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It was fun last night, in a bit of muck around racing, with a mix of cars with different strengths and weaknesses. It does seem though, that the BMW's are a little too outclassed. I probably will ditch them from the mix.
Also, because car selection should be based on speed and not other factors like racecraft, what I think I'll do is assign a separate leaderboard sorted by fastest race laps as well, not for points but just to assign cars. I.e. You get points 24 down to 1 in order of lap times, and then the leader of that gets the slowest car etc.
Very clever I like your thinking as it is probably more accurate than the "end race result" and it encourages clean race craft. You should take more holidays with ideas like these.
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Well we had a bit of a discussion about it last night after the Cobra races.
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Was an intresting experiment.
If I can get out in front and hold it together. I might actually get a podium... There. I said it.
I think we will all 'hate' whatever we end up in compared to the nimble, light, fast Abarths. These street cars all take far too long to brake and sure dont like turning at speed.
Should make for some tight racing. And a fair bit of wrecking from me as I get used to racing bumper to bumper with people.
EDIT: Can we get a 'State of Origin' Tally going or something as well? Just to give Wally something else to do.
Clearly Cramjet and myself are the most handsome here. But that might not equal race speed.
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Loved the car! Looking at the times, I think i should have applied "sand bagging" :)
Looking forward to Tuesdays with this mix of cars and a chance to have some close racing. Cheers Wally.
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Wally, when I said use the fastest race-laps, I meant for this testing exercise :)
But then again, it may indeed be better - especially if it's using some averaged-out rank, not the last race results.
But let's not completely forget that we can use the rent-a-car (or buy a car) system, too. The program exists (somewhere) I can probably dig it up and chuck it on a server, it requires configuration otherwise it should do it...
I think we will all 'hate' whatever we end up in compared to the nimble, light, fast Abarths. These street cars all take far too long to brake and sure dont like turning at speed.
Not even the slightest hint of hate from me. I prefer tintops anyday.
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Last nite I did run the z4 s1 and did 1:17.9 in it so at this track its not too far off but the standard is just too slow. If you scrap the standard and add either the 1m or e92 standard it will spice it up a bit as they are fairly quick in a straight line but not as nimbke as any of the lotuses. At a bigger track though such as monza I think any of the slower cars will really struggle but if you add a tight circuit like Aosta it wouod be very close in just about all these cars.
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If it was up to me but it isnt obviously lol, id scrap the z4 standard and also the standard elise and add the 1m and m3e92 as the majority of the field are much closer in the middle of the field. Especially if you go by qualy at Monza race 1 for an example.
1 Guybrush Threepwood [Achilles Heels] 1:51:488 8
2 Marty [Achilles Heels] 1:51:868 9
3 Ysu [TKO Racing] 1:53:172 8
4 StanDaam [XGN] 1:53:427 6
5 Glen73 [Projekt Rennesport] 1:53:428 6
6 Wally [TKO Racing] 1:53:546 9
7 Freezer [XGN] 1:53:658 5
8 Rob [Team MRT] 1:53:802 7
9 Rolz [XGN] 1:53:877 5
10 Bacchulum [Aleph Null Ltd] 1:53:911 6
11 cramjet [CramDick Racing] 1:54:188 5
12 Vipergod [Team MRT] 1:54:274 8
13 Gratulin [XGN] 1:54:416 9
14 GWyar [XGN] 1:54:677 7
15 Crimespree [XGN] 1:55:393 4
16 Grubbet [XGN] 1:55:778 7
17 Insomniac [XGN] 1:56:016 4
18 Dave O [XGN] 1:56:116 6
19 Imperious [XGN] 1:58:509 5
20 Dick Forrest [CramDick Racing] 3:09:932 4
Here is qualy race 1 at Mugello
Pos Driver Best Lap Time Best Lap Num
1 Guybrush Threepwood [Achilles Heels] 1:44:254 9
2 Marty [Achilles Heels] 1:45:141 11
3 Wally [TKO Racing] 1:45:828 8
4 Rob [Team MRT] 1:45:946 7
5 StanDaam [XGN] 1:46:035 7
6 Bacchulum [Aleph Null Ltd] 1:46:181 7
7 Ysu [TKO Racing] 1:46:455 8
8 cramjet [CramDick Racing] 1:46:644 6
9 Rolz [XGN] 1:46:807 8
10 Insomniac [XGN] 1:46:962 6
11 Freezer [XGN] 1:46:974 7
12 Glen73 [Projekt Rennesport] 1:47:080 7
13 Gratulin [XGN] 1:47:095 4
14 Dave O [XGN] 1:48:411 4
15 Vipergod [Team MRT] 1:48:524 7
16 Imperious [XGN] 1:48:614 4
17 Crimespree [XGN] 1:48:832 4
18 GWyar [XGN] 1:48:929 4
19 Dick Forrest [CramDick Racing] 1:50:684 3
Here is Imola race 1 qualy
Pos Driver Best Lap Time Best Lap Num
1 Marty [Achilles Heels] 1:44:486 9
2 Mopz [Team CTR] 1:45:109 6
3 Freezer [XGN] 1:45:711 7
4 Rob [Team MRT] 1:45:952 4
5 Bacchulum [Aleph Null Ltd] 1:46:006 7
6 Rolz [XGN] 1:46:435 4
7 Gratulin [XGN] 1:46:502 8
8 Wally [TKO Racing] 1:46:505 8
9 Insomniac [XGN] 1:46:961 3
10 Grubbet [XGN] 1:47:288 5
11 Crimespree [XGN] 1:47:569 5
12 BJSRacer [Projekt Rennesport] 1:47:590 7
13 cramjet [CramDick Racing] 1:47:646 6
14 Glen73 [Projekt Rennesport] 1:47:712 4
15 G0RGAK [Achilles Heels] 1:47:882 7
16 Vipergod [Team MRT] 1:48:050 4
17 Dave O [XGN] 1:49:050 3
18 GWyar [XGN] 1:49:278 4
19 Imperious [XGN] 1:49:349 6
20 Dick Forrest [CramDick Racing] 9:44:219 1
21 Ysu [TKO Racing] NO TIME
And Silverstone race 1 qualy
Pos Driver Best Lap Time Best Lap Num
1 Guybrush Threepwood [Achilles Heels] 2:00:089 8
2 Marty [Achilles Heels] 2:01:632 7
3 Ysu [TKO Racing] 2:02:181 7
4 Wally [TKO Racing] 2:02:689 8
5 Gratulin [XGN] 2:02:690 9
6 BJSRacer [Projekt Rennesport] 2:02:959 7
7 Glen73 [Projekt Rennesport] 2:02:983 6
8 Bacchulum [Aleph Null Ltd] 2:03:129 6
9 cramjet [CramDick Racing] 2:03:652 2
10 Rob [Team MRT] 2:03:701 4
11 Phil [Team CTR] 2:03:808 2
12 Freezer [XGN] 2:03:845 6
13 Rolz [XGN] 2:04:094 6
14 Vipergod [Team MRT] 2:04:114 7
15 Crimespree [XGN] 2:04:537 6
16 Insomniac [XGN] 2:04:684 5
17 Dick Forrest [CramDick Racing] 2:04:757 3
18 GWyar [XGN] 2:05:396 7
19 Dave O [XGN] 2:06:044 3
20 Grubbet [XGN] 2:06:852 3
21 Imperious [XGN] 2:11:150 5
Having the 1 z4s1 can be ok for the quickest guys, then the 3 lotus elise versions are all quite similar with less then .5s between the standard and s3 I think and they are just a bit quicker then the z4 s1 as they handle much better but similar speeds. If you have 3 of them and the z4 that makes the 8 fastest guys in the much slower cars but looking at lap time spreeds it will be more of a disadvantage to the guys in 7th and 8th I think if they also have the slower lotus. These guys are generally running a pace close to most of the midfield so adding more midfield level cars I think would be better for them rather then having 8 slow cars.
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Just don't go by qualifying times. I generally won't even go out on the track for second race qualifying. I also try to avoid 'going for it' in race one. I really don't want to be anywhere but the very back of the grid.
I'm usually happy with my out lap.
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Wally, when I said use the fastest race-laps, I meant for this testing exercise :)
But then again, it may indeed be better - especially if it's using some averaged-out rank, not the last race results.
But let's not completely forget that we can use the rent-a-car (or buy a car) system, too. The program exists (somewhere) I can probably dig it up and chuck it on a server, it requires configuration otherwise it should do it...
I think we will all 'hate' whatever we end up in compared to the nimble, light, fast Abarths. These street cars all take far too long to brake and sure dont like turning at speed.
Not even the slightest hint of hate from me. I prefer tintops anyday.
Glen and I have a back up copy, (somewhere).
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Just don't go by qualifying times. I generally won't even go out on the track for second race qualifying. I also try to avoid 'going for it' in race one. I really don't want to be anywhere but the very back of the grid.
I'm usually happy with my out lap.
So its quite clear you only like it in the rear. :D
But you should have a bit of a go your pace is getting better and mixing it with guys at your real pace would probably be more of a challenge and fun for you.
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Maybe you don't need to stress too much about 'levelling the field'. From my point of view ( and I stress only talking about my own position ) I am very happy with how the races are panning out ie I don't need/want any handicapping help. By this I don't mean that I am against what is planned with the cars etc. I am just trying to say that as a driver in the middle-to-back of the pack I am happy with the racing as it is so don't worry about getting my part of the field too accurate.
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Just don't go by qualifying times. I generally won't even go out on the track for second race qualifying. I also try to avoid 'going for it' in race one. I really don't want to be anywhere but the very back of the grid.
I'm usually happy with my out lap.
So its quite clear you only like it in the rear. :D
But you should have a bit of a go your pace is getting better and mixing it with guys at your real pace would probably be more of a challenge and fun for you.
don't worry Marty! I'm having a great deal of fun. Even coming last. My ambitions are quite low at this stage. Things like keeping it on the black stuff all race and finishing on the lead lap are enough to keep me satisfied as far as improvement goes.
so far all my race postions have been given to me by other peoples mistakes. Bar one fantastic dive-in I did in front of Gratulin in the DTM at Silverstone. Which I still am chuffed about.
Last night in one of the test runs I was almost un-catchable. Felt like Darren Marsh... ok maybe Guybrush...
There are a lot of fast guys here. But a few of those fast guys make mistakes each week. Mr Vipergod alas seems to be very good at this :) He's fast but it seems every week I'll pass him at some stage as he goes off on one of his 4wd sessions. Insommniac also doesn't mind messing up his race. :)
Please, keep those mistakes coming!
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Maybe you don't need to stress too much about 'levelling the field'. From my point of view ( and I stress only talking about my own position ) I am very happy with how the races are panning out ie I don't need/want any handicapping help. By this I don't mean that I am against what is planned with the cars etc. I am just trying to say that as a driver in the middle-to-back of the pack I am happy with the racing as it is so don't worry about getting my part of the field too accurate.
I dont think the mid pack needs much more spicing up its just when the leaders pull away from the pack it does get a little boring. Still challenging in its own way trying to go as fast as I could without a massive mistake and keep soke pressure on guy. But in the end I got half a nose on the inside of him earlyin race 1 and thats as close as I got to any car over the 24 laps there. Lookijg at the results quite often the top 4 or 5 dont have much of a battle and ive had some great fun when needing to fight my way back through the pack.
If we can get it so the average lap pace brings the quicker guys back into the mid pack then should be for some more fun racing. Also having a varied grid with cars having dofferent strengths and weaknesses should be quite fun. Still the quicker guys will be more consistant in the slower cars soguys that have a car advantage will still need to avoid making mistakes if they want to finish ahead.
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Looking at lap times maybe instead of scrapping one lotus elise if you scrap both z4's and keep all 3 elises and add the m3 and 1m it will be closer all round. Wr times here have the Elises in the low 1:16s and this way the 6 fastest would have similar cars that are slow but have some hope against the quicker ones in the corners. The Z4's if guys ahead get closer to their potential will make it impossible to really compete in these little beamers I think.
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As Marty said, it's not just about levelling the field, it's also about making it more interesting and yet keep it challenging for everyone.
Now, the allocation method is really a levelling tool - and a strong one at that, which leaves a lot up to luck.
Eg if you get a slow but extremely nimble car, then you're either a winner at a twisty track or a complete loser at Monza.
I'm partial to the car-buy system not because I've created it, but because it allows an element of strategy as well. You can plan on the cars' strengths and weaknesses.
On the other hand; what to use as a base? Race pos, champ pos, or fastest lap? An average or the last one?
If you go by champ position, it levels out the championship completely, regardless of consistency. If you go by fastest laps, it's a levelling heavily weighted by consistency, IMO; an inconsistent but fast chap (eg me or Marty without praccy) will likely get a pretty slow car, usually. Which might be a good idea...but I'm not sure. We certainly haven't tried that, ever before :)
All in all the car-buy system is what I prefer. Those who haven't heard of it, here's a short rundown:
- You get some cash at the end of each race, the lower you finish, the more money you get.
- Each car has a set price.
- You 'buy' the car for the round, and race.
- Any cash you didn't spend keeps pooling, so you can save up for a better car later. (anyone can have their "moment") :)
So this is a championship levelling tool, and a bit of a planning tool as well.
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although, this is but a temporary thing anyway, hopefully, until we get the ballast, which is really the best thing.
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Trial server is down?
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Trial server is down?
Yes, that's over now. Now its back up as the league practice server.
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Trial server is down?
Yes, that's over now. Now its back up as the league practice server.
Ah bummer... had some quiet time this arvo before the misso came home :P
Might then finish off the Abarth champ thing on RSR... have 2 more tracks to finish... ;D
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Over the weekend I may put these cars up on my server hopefully at Silverstone to see how they compare against eachother on a bigger track where top speed may show have a big effect and produce bigger gaps between the cars. I think Spa and Monza would have similar results though the more nimble cars could still be much quicker in the middle sector of Spa compared to the start and end of the lap.
At Silverstone international it produced some great racing and as long as the aliens didnt take the quicker cars it was possible to beat some people driving an Elise.
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18.7 for me Wally offline (server not up)